Re: OBJECT Pattern Page Updated

From: Tantek Çelik <tantekcs.stanford.edu>
> On 11/6/07 12:22 PM, "paul_wilkinsxtra.co.nz" <paul_wilkinsxtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> > The text that follows states that the hyperlink
"can require repeating a small
> > piece of information (such as a person's name in
an hCard)"
> > If the names in the examples were consistent, they
would help to reinforce the
> > stated requirement.
> > The names (ben ward and james levine) should be
consistant with each other.
>
> Indeed. In addition, the whole reason the
include-pattern was developed was
> to NOT to have to repeat such text in the content of
the document.
>
> Thus I've changed it to use the 'title' attribute
instead, which is
> simultaneously a less invasive / content-affecting
requirement on the
> author, and still available to assistive technologies
(same citation in the
> section, Clark, 2007).
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern#accessibi
lity

This is interesting now, because we have an empty anchor
that's linking to more detailed information for the
machine's benefit.
    <a href="#jl-name"
class="include" title="James
Levine"></a>

I forsee some issues with this though.
The title appears to be superfluous because there is no text
on which the title can make itself visible, and content
providers will have have to deal with issues relating to
hiding the empty anchor elements, as has been expanded on at
http://m
icroformats.org/wiki/include-pattern

Hang on, we've faced this kind of issue before.
The FAQ, "Microformats provide a mechanism for marking
up visible content. Any mechanism for embedding invisible or
hidden content risks being considered spam"

The empty anchor really can't be allowed as a design
principle. What if the empty anchor idea is scrapped, so
that humans can gain a benefit from this information too.

If you want to link to the more detailed information, you
could use
    <a href="#jl-name"
class="include">James Levine</a>

Or some kind of notation could be used to indicate that
there's more information available
    James Levine <a href="#jl-name"
class="include">[more info]</a>
or 
    James Levine <a href="#jl-name"
class="include">[*]</a>



-- 
Paul Wilkins


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