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rel=tag problem
user name
2008-03-11 09:14:24
Microformat Folks -

  I was hoping that some of you who are well versed on what
is or
isn't a microformat specification (vs draft), and
specifically the
rel=tag microformat could weigh in on an issue that
WordPress seems to
be having with their rel=tag implementation.  Many of us
believe
they've implemented it incorrectly and thus are excluding
WordPress
users from getting tags aggregated correctly. The WordPress
folks,
however seem to disagree and insist that the rel=tag is just
a draft
and doesn't actually state that spaces should be encoded as
+  or %20.

When tagging posts in wordpress with a two-word tags (lets
say the
tags are "home movie") ... wordpress replaces the
space with a dash
(-) resulting in "home-movie" (rather than
"home+movie" as is
described in the microformats specification)  These are of
course is
an entirely different things as far as most aggregators/tag
clouds
such as technorati are concerned.

Take for example: In wordpress if you provide the following
list of
comma separated tags for a post:

tag1, tag2, tag3 tag4, tag5-tag6, tag7+tag8

WordPress creates the following rel="tag" links:

tag1
tag2
tag3-tag4
tag5-tag6
tag7tag8

Notice the following big problems:

1) You can't as a wordpress user even manually use th e+ as
the
specification requires ... wordpress concatenates the two
wholy
changing the meaning of the tag

2) Clearly "tag3 tag4" and "tag5-tag6"
are both represented the same
way.  This is a huge problem:

Take for example the tags "my wet suit" and
"my wet-suit". These are
distinct tags that carry different meanings.  But in
Wordpress they
would both result in the same tag URL:
"my-wet-suit" even though they
are separate tags. Using the only correct way to encode URLs
(RFC
1738) they would remain distinct "my%20wet%20suit"
and "my%20wet-suit"
respectively - or as accepted in HTML (and stated in the
microformats
specification document): "my+wet+suit" and
"my+wet-suit".

  This is actively preventing WordPress users from having
their posts
correctly tagged at aggregators.

  I opened a feature request with WordPress to address this,
however
they insist that rel=tag is a draft which doesn't state how
spaces
should be handled, and that the microformat specification
should
change to do things the way wordpress does (which is ...
poorly).

  If those of us who are concerned about this being
implemented
incorrectly are wrong, please let me know and I'll forward
that
education on to the mailing lists that have been discussing
this ...
but if we're correct in our belief that WordPress has
implemented
rel=tag incorrectly ... is there anyway that the
microformats group
could provide them some clarification from the source of
the
specification?  They so far are determined to not fix it.

 The Wordpress trac ticket related to this can be found at
the following url:
  http://trac.wor
dpress.org/ticket/5964

Thanks in advance for any help or clarification,

- Dave

-- 
http://www.DavidMeade.com
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Re: rel=tag problem
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-14 16:58:46
On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:14 AM, David Meade wrote:

> If those of us who are concerned about this being
implemented
> incorrectly are wrong, please let me know and I'll
forward that
> education on to the mailing lists that have been
discussing this ...
> but if we're correct in our belief that WordPress has
implemented
> rel=tag incorrectly ... is there anyway that the
microformats group
> could provide them some clarification from the source
of the
> specification?

I believe you're wrong.  I'm not aware of any resolution to
the  
outstanding issue of multi-word tags:

http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-issues#Multi-wor
d_tags

Here's my suggested resolution, with which I'm sure others
will  
disagree: this is a non-issue because the meaning of tags is
 
contextually dependent on the tag space, so there's no
possibility for  
standardization around what tags mean, whether they're
single- or  
multi-word.

Peace,
Scott

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Re: rel=tag problem
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-19 18:56:28
On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Scott Reynen wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:14 AM, David Meade wrote:
>
>> If those of us who are concerned about this being
implemented
>> incorrectly are wrong, please let me know and I'll
forward that
>> education on to the mailing lists that have been
discussing this ...
>> but if we're correct in our belief that WordPress
has implemented
>> rel=tag incorrectly ... is there anyway that the
microformats group
>> could provide them some clarification from the
source of the
>> specification?
>
> I believe you're wrong.  I'm not aware of any
resolution to the  
> outstanding issue of multi-word tags:
>
> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-issues#Multi-wor
d_tags
>
> Here's my suggested resolution, with which I'm sure
others will  
> disagree: this is a non-issue because the meaning of
tags is  
> contextually dependent on the tag space, so there's no
possibility  
> for standardization around what tags mean, whether
they're single-  
> or multi-word.

Actually, I agree completely. Publishing tools can choose
what they  
want to do here, as can aggregators.

-ryan
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