Eudora to Thunderbird

Jon Johnsen wrote:
> 
>         To comply with campus minimum security
standards, we will soon 
> be changing the email client we support for our users
from Eudora to (we 
> hope) Thunderbird.
> 
>         This presents the challenge of moving
mailboxes, address books, 
> and filters from Eudora to Thunderbird.  Our initial
research and 
> testing hasn’t left us thrilled with the project. /(We
keep our users’ 
> mailboxes on a file server, not on the users’ local
computers.)
> 
> /        Can anyone suggest a source of information
which will assist 
> us? Has anyone already successfully completed such a
migration?

Filters: I have not seen any method to migrate filters from
Eudora to 
Thunderbird.

Mailboxes: Sometimes they work fine.  Sometimes Eudora
Mailbox Cleaner 
helps <http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Eudora_Mailbox_Cle
aner.html>. 
Sometimes they still don't work even with EMC; we're trying
to isolate 
the problem.  (The problem is probably that Eudora's mailbox
format is 
really broken).

Address books: Sometimes they come over with no problems. 
Sometimes EMC 
brings them over with no problems.  Sometimes EMC creates an

EMC-import.mab file in the correct place, but Thunderbird
doesn't 
recognize it (but if you rename it to abook.mab, it works). 
Sometimes 
even after running through EMC it doesn't work on
complicated address 
books (meta-data in the wrong fields).  It appears to work
better on 
Windows Thunderbird than on Mac Thunderbird, and we've had
some success 
for Mac users transferring the Eudora files to Windows
(through a 
process which alters linefeeds to be native), migrating to
Windows 
Thunderbird, and then moving it back to the Mac.

It's definitely not clean.  And some users will definitely
grumble, even 
if you can migrate all their stuff cleanly.

We have some user-oriented documentation up at 
<http://ls.berkeley.edu/lscr/advice/email/thunderbird/&
gt;.

-- 
Tom Holub (tomLS.Berkeley.EDU, 510-642-9069)
Director of Computing, College of Letters & Science
249 Campbell Hall
<http://LS.berkeley.e
du/lscr/>

Bernie Rossi wrote:
> 
> Yes, Eudora will be in violation of the campus minimum
security 
> standards when the contract expires.  We are more
concerned with any 
> attacks which might occur since the word is out there
that Eudora will 
> no longer have any security fixes.

Frankly, I think Eudora is already in violation of the
minimum security 
standards.  There hasn't been an update on the Mac side in
well over a 
year, and I'm sure that some of the crashing bugs there
(like the 
malformed JPG one) are also security holes.

-- 
Tom Holub (tomLS.Berkeley.EDU, 510-642-9069)
Director of Computing, College of Letters & Science
249 Campbell Hall
<http://LS.berkeley.e
du/lscr/>

I have moved a number of users from PC-Pine to Thunderbird.
Filters 
and other custom stuff were out. There do not appear to be
standards 
for this, and mail programs seem to offer different
functions.

LDIF address book transfers sort of worked, but most people
were happy 
to recreate these and cleanse them at the same time. Getting
a paper 
copy of the old addressbook is more useful. The addressbook

translation took Pine's lists and generated multiple
addressbooks.

Moving mail is best done via an IMAP server, ie. Eudora to
server temp 
folder, temp folder to Thunderbird new folder. The real pain
is that 
the programs can fight over the IMAP connection if kept open

simultaneously, so the whole thing is iterative. But the
IMAP server 
handles all the pesky translation details. Space is usually
an issue 
with files not stored on the mail server. They are usually
too big to 
move at one go.

I found that if I had mailboxes in mbox text format I could
re-order 
the header lines and make Thunderbird read them in. I am not
sure if 
that quirk still applies. For PC-Pine I used a rough C
program to 
remove the binary header, then AWK to do the header line
re-ordering. 
(Yes, Perl might have done it all...)

The files originating with a couple of Eudora users seemed
to come in 
without trouble.

This is all a couple of years old, however. I remember
looking at 
using Outlook format for conversion, but nothing seemed to
do the 
whole job, and certainly not without trained intervention.

What you have to decide is if you are going to move people
one at a 
time, or try switching everyone overnight. I went for the
one-by-one 
approach 

We support Pine and Thunderbird because we can run them in
both the 
Windows and Unix environments. The tech people tend to use
Pine, the 
rest use Thunderbird. I am looking at a switch to Alpine for
the Pine 
people soon, and I know there are some faculty Eudora users
hiding out 
somewhere.

Graham

--
Graham Patterson, System Administration
Dept. of Economics, UC Berkeley (510)643-5397


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On Aug 2, 2007, at 4:43 PM, OSL Tech wrote:

> I hadn't heard about the Qualcom license issue utill
right now.
> Can someone please forward some more information
regarding this  
> matter and or a link?

How about...

http://eudora.com/

-Greg



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Graham A. Patterson wrote:
> 
> We support Pine and Thunderbird because we can run them
in both the 
> Windows and Unix environments. The tech people tend to
use Pine, the 
> rest use Thunderbird. I am looking at a switch to
Alpine for the Pine 
> people soon, and I know there are some faculty Eudora
users hiding out 
> somewhere.

For what it's worth, pine is probably also a minimum
security standard 
violation; it's been almost two years since the last update
(which was a 
security fix).

-- 
Tom Holub (tomLS.Berkeley.EDU, 510-642-9069)
Director of Computing, College of Letters & Science
249 Campbell Hall
<http://LS.berkeley.e
du/lscr/>

At 04:46 PM 8/2/2007, Tom Holub wrote:
>Bernie Rossi wrote:
>>Yes, Eudora will be in violation of the campus
minimum security 
>>standards when the contract expires.  We are more
concerned with 
>>any attacks which might occur since the word is out
there that 
>>Eudora will no longer have any security fixes.

If Eudora continues to be supported as a open source
product, does 
that not meet the security patches requirement?

What is the status of Mozilla supporting Eudora?  They claim
plans to 
support Eudora along with Thunderbird.

greg 


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