I say we forget all about the seriousness of this impending
doomed-ness and
instead engage in a "funny-email-client-naming"
contest. The winner gets all
their files migrated and a bottle of Thunderburp! Whaddya
say?
Bond
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[mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Hebert
Diaz-Flores
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 4:52 PM
To: 'Johnathon P Kogelman'; micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
Subject: RE: [Micronet] Eudorka to Thunderturd
Dear Campus Colleagues,
The number of e-mails on this subject is indicative of this
being a
significant pain point for you all. Unfortunately, there
are no easy
short-term solutions. I know the campus will continue to
look at long-term
options to the issue of web-based e-mail. With respect to
"fat" e-mail
clients, the issue is more complex to solve in a university
environment. As
long as security issues are taken care of, departments are
free to select a
"fat" client that best fit its local environment.
There are Outlook shops,
Eudora shops, you name it. That is OK.
Hebert
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[mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Johnathon P
Kogelman
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:54 PM
To: micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Micronet] Eudorka to Thunderturd
Michael,
Many units like mine have to support a large number of end
users, and thus
need to make a decision for long term planning. I don't want
my limited
staff wasting labor converting everyone from Eudora to
Thunderbird, just to
have to do the same of work in six months or a year from
now. I suspect not
many IT units on Campus could absorb the lost of man hours
to do two or more
email conversions. Mind you many of us are dealing with end
users that have
years of messages, attachments, filters, and contacts that
need to be
preserved. So this seems to be a good time to discuss what
email client will
work for a vast majority of the user on Campus and find one
that will be
supported for the for seeable future.
Johnathon
>[I apologize to Burke Bundy for joining this thread.]
>
>Let's see where this thread is going...
>
>First we hear that Eudora will no longer be supported by
>Eudora/Qualcomm and we conclude that Eudora can no
longer be used on
>campus because it violates Minimum Standards. Maybe.
>
>Then we hear that Pine probably doesn't meet minimum
standards
>because there haven't been any patches for it in over a
year. Now,
>most of us know that the Pine codebase is *horrible*,
but the lack
>of known vulnerabilities for a software package (and
hence no
>patches) for a certain amount of time does not make it
automatically
>violate Minimum Standards. Moreover, development of the
next
>version of Pine (Alpine) is very active, with the latest
alpha
>release coming about a month ago.
>
>Then we are told about organizational changes with the
sponsorship
>of Thunderbird and conclude that it is doomed, which
leads us to the
>tired (and tiresome) issue of outsourcing to Google or
Microsoft.
>
>Keynes was right: In the long run, we're all dead.
>
>In the meantime, it's probably a good idea to get back
to work and
>stop wringing our hands, lest we wring the skin
completely off. The
>latest patches for Thunderbird were just released
*Wednesday*. Pine
>is still in active development. There's reason to
believe Eudora,
>in some form, will be resurrected. We have a central
email system,
>that since Jim Blair and Paul Fisher began managing it,
has
>out-shined other universities' systems substantially.
We have two
>of the most talented email administrators I have ever
interacted
>with anywhere, and they like doing email. The world
probably won't
>end for a least another two years.
>
>I wasn't on the diverse committee that looked at
outsourcing, but
>the one thing that *does* really scare me is Google's
and
>Microsoft's attitudes toward privacy. I know that was
highlighted
>by the committee, but I was appalled by some of the
things that I
>heard--there seems to be an anti-privacy attitude among
a lot of the
>outsourcing vendors.
>
>I frankly don't understand why IST got so distracted by
the ideology
>of outsourcing when there's so much work we have to do
on
>campus. What I advocated, a couple months before the
outsourcing
>committee started meeting, was a market-based approach,
where the
>campus provided infrastructure and some consultation in
helping
>campus users choose whether to use campus email, run
their own
>system, or have their own email forwarded to some other
>provider. We'd then let the user market decide what
service was
>best and that would give us a good metric as to where to
continue to
>apply or shift resources. The use-based approach could
be
>implemented with relatively few resources and start-up
costs. (We
>already do it to some extent.)
>
>I feel like there are many other things to worry about
right now
>that we can cross the email bridge when we come to it.
Let's stop
>making linear projections about the future and try to
solve the
>current (Eudora) issue now. And let's have a damn good
weekend.
>
>michael
>
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