Volume Licensing for MS Vista?

I just heard word that there is now volume licensing for MS
Vista 
available from CDW.  Does this mean we can buy 100 licenses
and use the 
same installation key for each installation of Vista?

-- 
Bruce Satow
Space Physics Research Group
Space Sciences Laboratory
University of California
Berkeley, California 94720-7450
(510) 643-2348






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Hi Bruce,

On Thursday 06 September 2007 10:07:04 Bruce Satow wrote:

> I just heard word that there is now volume licensing
for MS Vista
> available from CDW.  Does this mean we can buy 100
licenses and use the
> same installation key for each installation of Vista?

As far as I know, this licensing scheme applies to our VL
contract:

  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan
/volact.mspx

So installation keys are not required, but activation keys
are required.

--Karl

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But that begs the question: presumably someone has to pay
someone for 
the license used (either MAK or KMS), or is the campus
providing 
blanket coverage? The technical methodology is clear enough,
but I 
admit I don't understand the campus administrative side.

How many KMS do we need across campus? Our initial Vista
presence is 
likely to be less than the KMS minimum, so we either
piggy-back on an 
existing one, or purchase licenses against the campus MAK
(from CDWG)?

Graham

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Graham Patterson, System Administration
Dept. of Economics, UC Berkeley (510)643-5397

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Karl R. Grose wrote:
>
> As far as I know, this licensing scheme applies to our
VL contract:
>
>  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan
/volact.mspx
>
> So installation keys are not required, but activation
keys are required.


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Hi Graham,

On Thursday 06 September 2007 11:21:19 Graham A. Patterson
wrote:

> But that begs the question: presumably someone has to
pay someone for
> the license used (either MAK or KMS), or is the campus
providing
> blanket coverage? The technical methodology is clear
enough, but I
> admit I don't understand the campus administrative
side.

Not claiming to understand that either , but this
site may help a little:

  http://techno
logy.berkeley.edu/msvista/

The Calshare site mentioned there also documents a pilot KMS
server service:

https://calshare
.berkeley.edu/sites/cois/Vista/VistaAtUCBlog/Lists/Posts/Pos
t.aspx?ID=8#Comments

--Karl

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> How many KMS do we need across campus? Our initial
Vista presence is
> likely to be less than the KMS minimum, so we either
piggy-back on an
> existing one, or purchase licenses against the campus
MAK (from CDWG)?
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Patterson, System Administration
> Dept. of Economics, UC Berkeley (510)643-5397
>
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Karl R. Grose wrote:
> > As far as I know, this licensing scheme applies to
our VL contract:
> >
> >  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan
/volact.mspx
> >
> > So installation keys are not required, but
activation keys are
> > required.

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Economics is seeing a lot of Vista machines in the hands of
students 
and visitors. Vista deployment in our managed systems is at
least 6 
months away, though new equipment is purchased with Vista
Enterprise 
in mind.

What we do need is to be able to bring up a couple of
systems soon as 
support test-beds. Probably one in AD, and one stand-alone,
so that we 
can mimic most cases. So we will not have anything like
enough 
installed machines to support our own KMS in the short to
medium term.

A KMS is certainly attractive for managed systems, and it is
one less 
license to track during (re)deployment of machines. Of
course, a 
shared KMS would have to divvy up the license charges.

CDWG lists Business licenses, not Enterprise (as of last
week, 
anyway). Are they supplying campus Enterprise MAK licenses?

Graham

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 	"I believe that there are 3-4 enrollment periods for
MCCA subscription per year (hopefully David Willson can
chime in here with the exact dates)."
	- Graham A. Patterson

Not to derail this topic but I would be very interested in
knowing the dates as well.

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[mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Liz Marsh
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Graham A. Patterson
Cc: Karl R. Grose; Bruce Satow; micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Micronet] Volume Licensing for MS Vista?

The official UC options available for purchasing Vista and
other MS products  at Berkeley are the Microsoft Select and
Microsoft Consolidated Campus Agreement (MCCA).  Under
Select you purchase individual licenses (and software
assurance, if desired) and under MCCA you essentially are
purchasing an annual subscription, but don't own the
licenses.  I believe that there are 3-4 enrollment periods
for MCCA subscription per year (hopefully David Willson can
chime in here with the exact dates).  More information can
be found at the campus Vista site at:

http://technology.berkeley.edu/msvista/licensing/inde
x.html

Liz

On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:21 am, Graham A. Patterson
wrote:
>
> But that begs the question: presumably someone has to
pay someone for 
> the license used (either MAK or KMS), or is the campus
providing 
> blanket coverage? The technical methodology is clear
enough, but I 
> admit I don't understand the campus administrative
side.
>
> How many KMS do we need across campus? Our initial
Vista presence is 
> likely to be less than the KMS minimum, so we either
piggy-back on an 
> existing one, or purchase licenses against the campus
MAK (from CDWG)?
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Patterson, System Administration Dept. of
Economics, UC 
> Berkeley (510)643-5397
>
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Karl R. Grose wrote:
>>
>> As far as I know, this licensing scheme applies to
our VL contract:
>>
>>  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan
/volact.mspx
>>
>> So installation keys are not required, but
activation keys are required.
>
>
>
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I highly recommend IST running a central KMS infrastructure.
 It requires very little administration.  Basically you set
it up and
setup your OS patching strategy and the machine does the
rest.  We have not had a single problem with ours in the
past 9 months.

-Kevin


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COIS Mailcode-1516
2105 Bancroft Way – 2nd floor
Berkeley, CA  94720-1516
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[mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Liz Marsh
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:23 PM
To: lizmberkeley.edu
Cc: Graham A. Patterson; Karl R. Grose; Bruce Satow;
micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Micronet] Volume Licensing for MS Vista?

p.s. Re the KMS issue is still in flux.  I know that the
campus
departments who have piloted Vista (Kevin Burney's group and
??the Law
School??) have put up their own KMS boxes.  During the Vista
project we
did discuss having a central KMS service run out of IST, but
when we last
discussed it a few months ago there didn't seem to be
enough
interest/movement towards Vista adoption to warrant it.

I would be interested in feedback from this community about
interested in
a KMS service, and can work to help develop one if there is
sufficient
demand.

Liz

On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:58 am, Liz Marsh wrote:
> The official UC options available for purchasing Vista
and other MS
> products  at Berkeley are the Microsoft Select and
Microsoft Consolidated
> Campus Agreement (MCCA).  Under Select you purchase
individual licenses
> (and software assurance, if desired) and under MCCA you
essentially are
> purchasing an annual subscription, but don't own the
licenses.  I believe
> that there are 3-4 enrollment periods for MCCA
subscription per year
> (hopefully David Willson can chime in here with the
exact dates).  More
> information can be found at the campus Vista site at:
>
> http://technology.berkeley.edu/msvista/licensing/inde
x.html
>
> Liz
>
> On Thu, September 6, 2007 11:21 am, Graham A. Patterson
wrote:
>>
>> But that begs the question: presumably someone has
to pay someone for
>> the license used (either MAK or KMS), or is the
campus providing
>> blanket coverage? The technical methodology is
clear enough, but I
>> admit I don't understand the campus administrative
side.
>>
>> How many KMS do we need across campus? Our initial
Vista presence is
>> likely to be less than the KMS minimum, so we
either piggy-back on an
>> existing one, or purchase licenses against the
campus MAK (from CDWG)?
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> --
>> Graham Patterson, System Administration
>> Dept. of Economics, UC Berkeley (510)643-5397
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Karl R. Grose wrote:
>>>
>>> As far as I know, this licensing scheme applies
to our VL contract:
>>>
>>>  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan
/volact.mspx
>>>
>>> So installation keys are not required, but
activation keys are
>>> required.
>>
>>
>>
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Kevin D. Burney wrote:

> I highly recommend IST running a central KMS
infrastructure.  It
> requires very little administration.  Basically you set
it up and

Speaking from the security perspective, I believe that the
KMS option
also offers the potential for better license management for
the campus 
and a way to help to mitigate against license abuse of
MAKs.

--Karl

=======
> setup your OS patching strategy and the machine does
the rest.  We
> have not had a single problem with ours in the past 9
months.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> Kevin D. Burney, PMP IT Director COIS Mailcode-1516
2105 Bancroft Way
> – 2nd floor Berkeley, CA  94720-1516 (510) 827-8476 
> kburneyberkeley.edu
> 
> -----Original Message----- From:
> owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Liz
> Marsh Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:23 PM To:
> lizmberkeley.edu Cc: Graham A. Patterson; Karl R. Grose;
Bruce
> Satow; micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu Subject:
Re: [Micronet]
> Volume Licensing for MS Vista?
> 
> p.s. Re the KMS issue is still in flux.  I know that
the campus 
> departments who have piloted Vista (Kevin Burney's
group and ??the
> Law School??) have put up their own KMS boxes.  During
the Vista
> project we


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OSL Tech wrote:

> "I believe that there are 3-4 enrollment periods
for MCCA

> Not to derail this topic but I would be very interested
in knowing
> the dates as well.

There is a contact email/e-mail address for MCCA enrollment
on the page 
Liz cites below. Note also that this CDW-G site (also linked
off that page):

   http://www.cdwg.com
/ucberkeleyvla

states that "THE 2007-2008 MCCA OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD
IS CLOSED". 
Perhaps if you write to Paul Cardamone (the account manager
and listed 
contact) he can clarify matters.

--Karl

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> -----Original Message----- From:
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> [mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Liz
> Marsh Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:58 AM To:
Graham A.
> Patterson Cc: Karl R. Grose; Bruce Satow;
> micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Micronet]
Volume
> Licensing for MS Vista?
> 
> The official UC options available for purchasing Vista
and other MS
> products  at Berkeley are the Microsoft Select and
Microsoft
> Consolidated Campus Agreement (MCCA).  Under Select you
purchase
> individual licenses (and software assurance, if
desired) and under
> MCCA you essentially are purchasing an annual
subscription, but don't
> own the licenses.  I believe that there are 3-4
enrollment periods
> for MCCA subscription per year (hopefully David Willson
can chime in
> here with the exact dates).  More information can be
found at the
> campus Vista site at:
> 
> http://technology.berkeley.edu/msvista/licensing/inde
x.html


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Graham A. Patterson wrote:
[...]
> CDWG lists Business licenses, not Enterprise (as of
last week, anyway). 
> Are they supplying campus Enterprise MAK licenses?

A few things to note from my understanding of the MS
licensing available 
to us:

   * Vista Enterprise is only available to us by first
having a valid 
Vista Business license and then also having an active
support/upgrade 
contract (either Software Assurance through MS Select, or
covered under 
a MCCA enrollment).  If the support ever lapses then the
license reverts 
back to just Vista Business.
   * Neither MS Select or MCCA offer Vista licenses from
scratch.  As 
long as the machine came with an OEM license for Windows Pro
(i.e. 
Windows XP Professional) then enrolling in MCCA gives you
Vista upgrade 
rights immediately.  Or if using MS Select then CDWG part
1061560 
($49.44) will upgrade to Vista Business, or CDWG part
1061566 ($63.80) 
will upgrade to Vista Enterprise (basically Vista Business
plus Software 
Assurance).  Or, if purchased within 90 days of purchasing
the machine 
with it's OEM license you can buy just plain Software
Assurance CDWG 
part 1061561 ($14.35).
   * Vista Basic, Home Premium, and Ultimate aren't
available through 
either MS Select or MCCA, so to get the home-based features
like Media 
Center or DVD Maker we have to buy retail licenses at normal
retail 
prices instead of anything through a volume licensing
program. 
(Although if used just to test and provide support for end
users having 
volume-licensed versions of MSDN OS per person using the
systems is 
technically an option that might be cost-effective in some
setups.)

If anyone believes that those are incorrect understandings
of our 
license agreements I'd love to hear better information.


Rune

> Graham
> 
> -- 
> Graham Patterson, System Administration
> Dept. of Economics, UC Berkeley (510)643-5397
[...]
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Network & Infrastructure Services
Residential and Student Service Programs IT
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