Re: Ordering Windows license and install CD from CDW-G

jpkberkeley.edu wrote:
> Our department needs to purchase several Windows
licenses that will be
> installed on Intel Macs that will have Parallels
running.
> 
> We received a quote from Jaqui Stilson at CDW-G with
part numbers for the
> a Windows License and
> and an installation CD.
> 
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
> The description for the Windows License reads :
> 
> Microsoft Windows Vista Business - upgrade license
> Upgrade license - 1 PC - Select - All Languages
> MFG#: 66J-00592	1061560	In Stock	$56.85
> 
> The description for the Windows Installation CD :
> 
> Microsoft Windows XP Professional Language Interface
Pack w/ SP2 - media
> Media - volume - CD - Multilingual
> MFG#: E85-02830	753675	Call	$21.42
>
-----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Since the description says "upgrade license"
I just wanted to make sure
> that this is the correct product. In other words, we
don't want to upgrade
> an existing computer that already has Windows, we want
to install a
> completely new copy of Windows.

My understanding is that the licenses quoted above actually
wouldn't get 
you fully legal to run Windows on a machine that didn't come
with some 
sort of Windows OEM license to begin with (such as a Mac).

I believe the cheapest way to get where you wanted to go
would be:

1)
Microsoft Windows Vista Business - license
CDW Part:  	1119570	Mfg. Part:  	66J-00016
$270.74

this gets you the non-upgrade license

2)
Microsoft Windows Vista Business - software assurance
CDW Part:  	1061561	Mfg. Part:  	66J-00818-1
$14.35

As long as you buy this within 90 days of the purchase of
the full 
license (http://www.microsoft.com/education/softwareassuranc
e.mspx#ERG) 
this will cover the license under software assurance and
allow you to 
downgrade to Windows XP Pro w/ SP2.  (There are no downgrade
rights 
available for Windows Vista Home or Home Premium licenses --

http://down
load.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b
9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc 
).

3)
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Language Interface Pack w/
SP2 - media
CDW Part:  	753675	Mfg. Part:  	E85-02830
$21.42

This gets you the media to actually install the system if
you need 
volume license Windows XP SP2 media.  (If you already have
available 
such media, including from an ISO download from MSDN or
someone with 
MCCA agreement access to the ISO's then you wouldn't need
this, and 
could then not have any physical deliverables and avoid
paying sales or 
use tax.)


<rant>
I do find it very annoying that Microsoft has no good or
affordable 
license options for those of us who need full licenses to
put onto 
machines that are already licensed for an OS for some reason
or another 
(as a second OS on a Mac or as a new virtual machine running
XP or Vista 
on a big VMWare or Virtual Server box).  We can buy a full
Windows 
Server 2003 R2 license through select for $81.47.  But we
can't buy full 
Windows XP or Windows Vista licenses through Select or MCCA,
and the 
cost we end up having to pay is $270.74 each -- more than
three times 
the cost of a server license.  The costs really work out
weirdly if you 
have a VMWare host with 2 dual-core processors that might be
running 30 
virtual boxes for end users.  That costs $8,122 to license
to run 
Windows XP or Windows Vista on those 30 VM's.  But only
costs $541 to 
license to run the "more expensive" Windows Server
2003 R2 Enterprise on 
those 30 VM's.
</rant>

Rune

> Thanks,
> 
> Jack King
> Disabled Students Program
> 50 Cesar Chavez
> 
> 
>
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On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Rune Stromsness wrote:
> My understanding is that the licenses quoted above
actually  
> wouldn't get you fully legal to run Windows on a
machine that  
> didn't come with some sort of Windows OEM license to
begin with  
> (such as a Mac).
>
> I believe the cheapest way to get where you wanted to
go would be:


I can't argue with your logic, but all I know is that when
we ask  
CDWG for a Vista Ultimate installation for Parallels on a
Mac, they  
tell us to send them sixty-five bucks and toss in a Jackson
if we  
need a disk.

Works for us!

-Greg


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Rune Stromsness wrote:
> jpkberkeley.edu wrote:
>> Our department needs to purchase several Windows
licenses that will be
>> installed on Intel Macs that will have Parallels
running.
>>
>> We received a quote from Jaqui Stilson at CDW-G
with part numbers for the
>> a Windows License and
>> and an installation CD.
>>
>>
-----------------------------------------------------------
>> The description for the Windows License reads :
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Vista Business - upgrade license
>> Upgrade license - 1 PC - Select - All Languages
>> MFG#: 66J-00592    1061560    In Stock    $56.85
>>
>> The description for the Windows Installation CD :
>>
>> Microsoft Windows XP Professional Language
Interface Pack w/ SP2 - media
>> Media - volume - CD - Multilingual
>> MFG#: E85-02830    753675    Call    $21.42
>>
-----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Since the description says "upgrade
license" I just wanted to make sure
>> that this is the correct product. In other words,
we don't want to 
>> upgrade
>> an existing computer that already has Windows, we
want to install a
>> completely new copy of Windows.
> 
> My understanding is that the licenses quoted above
actually wouldn't get 
> you fully legal to run Windows on a machine that didn't
come with some 
> sort of Windows OEM license to begin with (such as a
Mac).

I found an educause archive discussing the same question and
that led me 
to find buried in Microsoft's licensing terms language that
makes be 
believe that the original quote from CDW-G would be
perfectly fine to 
get you to legally run Windows Vista Business the
Macintosh.

http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi
-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind06&L=licensing&P=11730

http://www.microsoftvolumelicens
ing.com/userights/Downloader.aspx?DocumentId=923

It specifically lists that for the "Campus &
School, Select - Academic, 
and Open - Academic Programs" that the products that
are eligible to use 
an upgrade license to get to Windows Vista Business are:
* Windows Vista (Business N, Business K, Business KN,
Ultimate, Home 
Premium, Home Basic, and Starter Edition)
* Windows XP (Professional, Tablet PC, Pro N, Pro Blade PC,
Home, Starter)
* Windows 2000 Pro
* Windows NT Workstation 4
* Windows 98
* Apple Macintosh

So, it appears that for a Mac you can use the upgrade
license (or not 
even need to buy something specific if you're department is

participating in MCCA and has Windows upgrade licenses as
part of that 
agreement).

But for virtual machines running on VMWare it still appears
that there 
isn't a good solution.


> I believe the cheapest way to get where you wanted to
go would be:
> 
> 1)
> Microsoft Windows Vista Business - license
> CDW Part:      1119570    Mfg. Part:      66J-00016
> $270.74
> 
> this gets you the non-upgrade license
> 
> 2)
> Microsoft Windows Vista Business - software assurance
> CDW Part:      1061561    Mfg. Part:      66J-00818-1
> $14.35
> 
> As long as you buy this within 90 days of the purchase
of the full 
> license (http://www.microsoft.com/education/softwareassuranc
e.mspx#ERG) 
> this will cover the license under software assurance
and allow you to 
> downgrade to Windows XP Pro w/ SP2.  (There are no
downgrade rights 
> available for Windows Vista Home or Home Premium
licenses -- 
> http://down
load.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b
9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc 
> ).
> 
> 3)
> Microsoft Windows XP Professional Language Interface
Pack w/ SP2 - media
> CDW Part:      753675    Mfg. Part:      E85-02830
> $21.42
> 
> This gets you the media to actually install the system
if you need 
> volume license Windows XP SP2 media.  (If you already
have available 
> such media, including from an ISO download from MSDN or
someone with 
> MCCA agreement access to the ISO's then you wouldn't
need this, and 
> could then not have any physical deliverables and avoid
paying sales or 
> use tax.)
> 
> 
> <rant>
> I do find it very annoying that Microsoft has no good
or affordable 
> license options for those of us who need full licenses
to put onto 
> machines that are already licensed for an OS for some
reason or another 
> (as a second OS on a Mac or as a new virtual machine
running XP or Vista 
> on a big VMWare or Virtual Server box).  We can buy a
full Windows 
> Server 2003 R2 license through select for $81.47.  But
we can't buy full 
> Windows XP or Windows Vista licenses through Select or
MCCA, and the 
> cost we end up having to pay is $270.74 each -- more
than three times 
> the cost of a server license.  The costs really work
out weirdly if you 
> have a VMWare host with 2 dual-core processors that
might be running 30 
> virtual boxes for end users.  That costs $8,122 to
license to run 
> Windows XP or Windows Vista on those 30 VM's.  But only
costs $541 to 
> license to run the "more expensive" Windows
Server 2003 R2 Enterprise on 
> those 30 VM's.
> </rant>
> 
> Rune
> 
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack King
>> Disabled Students Program
>> 50 Cesar Chavez
[...]

-- 
Rune Stromsness
Systems Supervisor
Senior Systems Administrator
Network & Infrastructure Services
Residential and Student Service Programs IT
University of California, Berkeley
runesberkeley.edu
510-643-8052

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