Mailing Lists and AOL

Lucia,
The policy on having a CalMail address for official
communications is  
only for students.
-Karen

On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:55 AM, lucia greco wrote:

> Hi:
> Are the e-mail addresses for on campus people if so I
thought the   
> policy
> was to only use cal mail addresses.
>
>
>
> Lucia Greco
> University of California Berkeley
> Assistive technology specialist
> (510) 643-7591
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:owner-micronet-listlists.berkeley.edu] On
Behalf Of Mike  
> Friedman
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:46 AM
> To: Claudia Waters
> Cc: micronet-listuclink.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Micronet] Mailing Lists and AOL
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> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 at 10:16 (-0700), Claudia Waters
wrote:
>
>> All my calmail mailing lists are blocked by aol.  I
brought this  
>> issue
>> up last January and was told by calmail consultants
(and Shel
>> Waggoner) that nothing could be done until the
calmail server is
>> updated.  They said it is only blocked for 24
hours, but it regularly
>> fails.  If you send the mail to aol users
individually, it goes  
>> through
> fine.
>
> I've encountered this problem a couple of times in the
past week.   
> It's bad
> enough that my mail didn't reach the AOL users on my
list, but I  
> didn't get
> the bounce until 24 hours later, when it was too late
to re-send the
> message, which happened to be very timely in this case.
>
> I don't see offhand how updating the CalMail server
will help, since
> apparently AOL blocking is based on the server IP
address, which,
> presumably, will be shared by all lists hosted at
CalMail.  (But  
> I'd like to
> find out that an upgrade will deal with this problem). 
I think the  
> AOL
> blocking policy is flawed, as it treats mail servers as
if they  
> were closed,
> homogeneous, environments, where holding the
administrators  
> responsible for
> each piece of mail is deemed an acceptable way of
controlling mail  
> content.
>
> As it stands, it appears that if a bunch of AOL users
complain  
> about spam
> from *any* CalMail address, then *all* CalMail senders
suffer.  And I
> suspect that complaining is made easy for AOL users by
providing  
> them with a
> point and click 'complain' interface (not being an
AOL user, I may  
> be wrong
> about this, but someone can correct me).
>
> And, of course, if you run a list whose content happens
to be  
> disliked by
> several AOL users, then they can, effectively, censor
your list for  
> all AOL
> users.  The 24 hour period doesn't help much;  for one
thing, once  
> your list
> mail has bounced, it's not terribly convenient for you
to resend  
> just to the
> AOL users.  Also, the group of AOL users that is
determined to  
> censor your
> list can persist in their 'complaining'.
>
> - From the point of view of the AOL user, this is a
problem not  
> just for UCB
> lists.  I've already advised the AOL users on my list
that they may be
> missing mail from other lists as well.  If I thought I
had any real
> influence, I'd strongly suggest that they all find
other ISPs.
>
> Mike
>
>
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California at Berkeley
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