Starting a Miranda for Linux project

Hello everyone!

I know that the "Linux topic" has already been
discussed here in 2005 
and that George Hazan is 'obstinate winduzoid' with no
interest in Linux 
and that the windows users base is wide enough for him.
But I also think that it is now time to do the discussion
again since 
many things have changed since then.

I would like to direct your attention to this forum thread:
h
ttp://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?t=13190

Here is a partial quote:
------------------------------

The Miranda for Linux thread has 234 replies, 80,063 views
and at least 
one developer who really does something. The Linux Desktop
certainly 
lacks a brilliant messenger like Miranda and there is a huge
request for 
something like it in the Linux world. In fact, for some
people it is the 
last reason that prevents them from completely switching to
GNU/Linux, 
so I think it is time to start a Miranda for Linux project!

What's it good for?
     * coordinate development efforts
     * provide easy to find information on how to get
Miranda working 
under GNU/Linux
     * provide a place to discuss the direction the project
should take
     * give people a place, where why can find help and
support
     * give interested developers information, a good point
to start 
from and an easy way to contribute or to join the project

Where to start/host it?
There are basically two possibilities:
     * getting official and maybe a subdomain like
linux.miranda-im.org
     * own project hosted on sourceforge.net for example

Find a catchy name!
These are just brainstorming proposals. Propose a better
one!
     * MIMux - pronounced as "Mimuks" or
"Maimuks"
     * Miranda IM for Linux
     * Unix MIM
     * LIM - Linux Instant Messenger
     * Miranda4Linux

What does the project need?
     * developers!!!
     * a lot of people who want to help in any way (testing,
bug 
reports, submit patches, donate)
     * commitment from the dev team to support this project
     * public CVS/SVN
     * a wiki (instructions how to set up miranda on linux
etc.)
     * a help forum
     * maybe bug tracker

What can be done?
     * Make Miranda and as much plugins as possible compile
with 
wine-libs under GNU/Linux (TioDuke works on this one)
     * Cooperate with the official development and port
miranda to 
something like wxWidgets (arguments for this step can be
found here 
http://forums.miranda-im.org/showpost.php?p=
107404&postcount=232)

------------------------------

So what do you guys think about it?

Greets,
Torsten

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Hi,

I use miranda daily with wine on gentoo. I have to say that
it works
somewhat well. However there are a few annoying issues with
the contact
list and new srmm plugin(s).

If there is any core/plugin developper who dont mind to
spend some time
with me to troubleshoot these issues, it would probably help
miranda's fan
to use it on linux.

I think, at that point, there's already some efforts to use
'standalone'
plugin (no Winapi), like for the new image plugin planned.
Maybe over the
time, it would be easier to do a fork and re-do the core and
a few plugins
in QT (or anything else); but I do not think it is the right
time for
this.

Best Regards,


> Hello everyone!
>
> I know that the "Linux topic" has already
been discussed here in 2005
> and that George Hazan is 'obstinate winduzoid' with no
interest in Linux
> and that the windows users base is wide enough for
him.
> But I also think that it is now time to do the
discussion again since
> many things have changed since then.
>
> I would like to direct your attention to this forum
thread:
> h
ttp://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?t=13190
>
> Here is a partial quote:
> ------------------------------
>
> The Miranda for Linux thread has 234 replies, 80,063
views and at least
> one developer who really does something. The Linux
Desktop certainly
> lacks a brilliant messenger like Miranda and there is a
huge request for
> something like it in the Linux world. In fact, for some
people it is the
> last reason that prevents them from completely
switching to GNU/Linux,
> so I think it is time to start a Miranda for Linux
project!
>
> What's it good for?
>      * coordinate development efforts
>      * provide easy to find information on how to get
Miranda working
> under GNU/Linux
>      * provide a place to discuss the direction the
project should take
>      * give people a place, where why can find help and
support
>      * give interested developers information, a good
point to start
> from and an easy way to contribute or to join the
project
>
> Where to start/host it?
> There are basically two possibilities:
>      * getting official and maybe a subdomain like
linux.miranda-im.org
>      * own project hosted on sourceforge.net for
example
>
> Find a catchy name!
> These are just brainstorming proposals. Propose a
better one!
>      * MIMux - pronounced as "Mimuks" or
"Maimuks"
>      * Miranda IM for Linux
>      * Unix MIM
>      * LIM - Linux Instant Messenger
>      * Miranda4Linux
>
> What does the project need?
>      * developers!!!
>      * a lot of people who want to help in any way
(testing, bug
> reports, submit patches, donate)
>      * commitment from the dev team to support this
project
>      * public CVS/SVN
>      * a wiki (instructions how to set up miranda on
linux etc.)
>      * a help forum
>      * maybe bug tracker
>
> What can be done?
>      * Make Miranda and as much plugins as possible
compile with
> wine-libs under GNU/Linux (TioDuke works on this one)
>      * Cooperate with the official development and port
miranda to
> something like wxWidgets (arguments for this step can
be found here
> http://forums.miranda-im.org/showpost.php?p=
107404&postcount=232)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> So what do you guys think about it?
>
> Greets,
> Torsten
>
>
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On 05/04/07, Paul Yaroshenko <samepaulgmail.com> wrote:
> I personally would be happy if there will be Linux
version of Miranda. I'm
> pretty sure that it is possible to make core portable
(maybe with some
> #ifdef for directory structure). But the Configuration
GUI stuff looks
> troublesome to me. And CList and SRMM plugins at all.
> However I'm not a good example since I'm not so
experienced in linux
> programming. 
> Anyway if we let green light to linux branch we need
some linux guys
> addicted to Miranda at same level as Ghazan and
Nightwish are.
>
> SamePaul
>
>
>
> On 4/4/07, Torsten Grote <Torsten.Grotegmx.de> wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I know that the "Linux topic" has
already been discussed here in 2005
> > and that George Hazan is 'obstinate winduzoid'
with no interest in Linux
> > and that the windows users base is wide enough for
him.
> > But I also think that it is now time to do the
discussion again since
> > many things have changed since then.
> >
> > I would like to direct your attention to this
forum thread:
> > h
ttp://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?t=13190
> >
> > Here is a partial quote:
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > The Miranda for Linux thread has 234 replies,
80,063 views and at least
> > one developer who really does something. The Linux
Desktop certainly
> > lacks a brilliant messenger like Miranda and there
is a huge request for
> > something like it in the Linux world. In fact, for
some people it is the
> > last reason that prevents them from completely
switching to GNU/Linux,
> > so I think it is time to start a Miranda for Linux
project!
> >
> > What's it good for?
> >      * coordinate development efforts
> >      * provide easy to find information on how to
get Miranda working
> > under GNU/Linux
> >      * provide a place to discuss the direction
the project should take
> >      * give people a place, where why can find
help and support
> >      * give interested developers information, a
good point to start
> > from and an easy way to contribute or to join the
project
> >
> > Where to start/host it?
> > There are basically two possibilities:
> >      * getting official and maybe a subdomain like
linux.miranda-im.org
> >      * own project hosted on sourceforge.net for
example
> >
> > Find a catchy name!
> > These are just brainstorming proposals. Propose a
better one!
> >      * MIMux - pronounced as "Mimuks" or
"Maimuks"
> >      * Miranda IM for Linux
> >      * Unix MIM
> >      * LIM - Linux Instant Messenger
> >      * Miranda4Linux
> >
> > What does the project need?
> >      * developers!!!
> >      * a lot of people who want to help in any way
(testing, bug
> > reports, submit patches, donate)
> >      * commitment from the dev team to support
this project
> >      * public CVS/SVN
> >      * a wiki (instructions how to set up miranda
on linux etc.)
> >      * a help forum
> >      * maybe bug tracker
> >
> > What can be done?
> >      * Make Miranda and as much plugins as
possible compile with
> > wine-libs under GNU/Linux (TioDuke works on this
one)
> >      * Cooperate with the official development and
port miranda to
> > something like wxWidgets (arguments for this step
can be found here
> >
> http://forums.miranda-im.org/showpost.php?p=
107404&postcount=232
> )
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > So what do you guys think about it?
> >
> > Greets,
> > Torsten
> >
> >
>
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A linux port wouldnt work... unless the whole core was
transfered to
gtk+/qt/wxwidgets.

If there are enough people who really want to see this
happen, then we
should start from scratch, and either work with the aim of
replacing
miranda with our new version, or just start another multi-im
client
for linux....
Neither of these ideas sounds very nice, so if you want
miranda in
linux use wine.

(p.s I said "we" before because I hate kopete and
gaim and would be
love to help out a new project)

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I would like to see that too. Althought a wine-lib Miranda
can work more or
less well, it is far from being the best solution.

So... If someone decides to begin such a project, I just
want to tell him I
am willing to contribute (in the spare time I have, which
for the time
being is scarse, but... I'll try my best).

Best regards to you all. Sergio (aka TioDuke)


Scott Ellis wrote:

> I'd love to see a non-wine-libs based miranda-like
clone project take off
> - but it would have to be done with the understanding
that it's a HUGE
> amount of work. Miranda is the only thing keeping me on
windows - well,
> almost 
> 
> I've played extensively with wxWidgets and QT, and I
have to say that QT
> wins hands-down. As is often mentioned in threads on
this topic, using QT
> (or any pretty much any other platform) means
converting to c++ and
> rewriting just about everything.
> 
> On the other hand, there would not be too much involved
in just creating a
> minimal core, clist, db/settings, srmm, and a protocol
plugin (e.g. ICQ)
> from scratch, to get things rolling. As they say,
"if you build it, they
> will come". I've been seriously considering doing
this myself for a long
> time now.
> 
> I don't see why such a project would need to be tied
very tightly to
> miranda - in name or in any other way - except, of
course, miranda should
> get credit for all the good ideas you could use. I
think the push for wine
> compatibility is a very good thing for the current
miranda project - it's
> way too far gone to convert to QT or anything else. A
QT based,
> plugin-centric IM program wouldn't have a whole lot in
common with miranda
> as it is now, as far as the implementation details go.
> 
> It would be a fantastic thing though!

-- 
Sergio (aka TioDuke)


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