The New Boards - It is very simple...

Actually, it's called tongue in cheek. ;) Just having a bit
of fun in the
twilight of the list...

Tom 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com 
> [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of 
> Chuck Lasker - DoublePlus
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:05 PM
> To: merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: RE: [m5u] RE: The New Boards - It is very
simple...
> 
> It's called building a community, Tom. It's what
causes us to 
> know each other, know if we want to do business with
each 
> other. It's how we build relationships that often turn
into 
> business relationships that help everyone. Most of us
work 
> alone, often in our homes, and this is like
conversation 
> between coworkers at an office. Sports, whining about 
> corporate, jokes, etc. - all part of what friends and 
> colleagues talk about, just this time it's on a mail
list. 
> The delete key is always nearby and easy to press for
those 
> not interested. If all this list was was technical
answers to 
> questions, it would have died years ago. 
> 
> But that's my opinion - and it doesn't matter now!
All I know 
> is, on the forum, a thread got taken into the direction
of 
> sports already, and it was harder for me to sift
through than 
> when I use the delete key...
> 
> Chuck
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:32 PM
> > To: 'Terral Artis'; merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > Subject: RE: [m5u] RE: The New Boards - It is very
simple...
> > 
> > Yes, I agree. My needs are what the forums are all
about. 
> All of the 
> > sundry unrelated threads I see here are pointless
and serve 
> merely to 
> > dilute messages that may be useful to me. If I
wanted to 
> hear all of 
> > the noisy rabble that appears on the list, I would
ask for 
> it. Life is 
> > too short to waste time on pointless issues that
have no 
> bearing on my 
> > needs.
> > 
> > Just incredible what these so-called
"listies" will waste hours 
> > discussing.
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf 
> Of Terral 
> > > Artis
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:43 AM
> > > To: merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > Subject: RE: [m5u] RE: The New Boards - It is
very simple...
> > > 
> > > I can't belive that people are still talking
about this 
> topic.  This 
> > > is another reason to have a forum. I will
only get 
> email's that are 
> > > relevant to what I need.  I subscribe to a
couple of other boards 
> > > relating to my industry, and have no
problems.  I think 
> that people 
> > > should give the forums a chance.
> > > 
> > > Just my 2 cents worth,
> > > 
> > > Terral Artis
> > > http://cellularmountain.c
om
> > > Over 4500 Cellular and Wireless Accessories 
> > > =========================================
> > > 
> > > At 12:26 PM 3/28/2006  Tuesday, you wrote:
> > > >I never liked the idea of a
user-sponsored/controlled list
> > or forum. 
> > > >User goes away, resource goes away. Look
at Viking Coders' 
> > excellent
> > > >user list archive. I depended on it, then
it stopped, 
> and they are 
> > > >still around! Only Miva can get the users
to a single
> > > location, and if
> > > >they go away, there's no reason for the
forum anyway... No
> > > offense, Bill.
> > > >
> > > >Chuck
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
> > > Of WolfPaw
> > > > > Computers - Miva Lists
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:24
PM
> > > > > To: 'Bill Gilligan'; 'Leslie

Webs Your Way'
> > > > > Cc: 'R. M. Cartelli';
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [m5u] RE: The New
Boards - It is very simple...
> > > > >
> > > > > I sorry to say, that while the
effort is noble...
> > > > >
> > > > > All you are going to accomplish is
splintering the user based 
> > > > > support further.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vic Vega,
> > > > > WolfPaw Computers
> > > > > MIVA Merchant Hosting Specialists
"The leader of the pack in 
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From:
owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > >
[mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Bill
> > > > > > Gilligan
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006
11:18 AM
> > > > > > To: 'Leslie  Webs
Your Way'
> > > > > > Cc: 'R. M. Cartelli';
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [m5u] RE: The New
Boards - It is very simple...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you see my earlier post -
I am collecting names,
> > emails and
> > > > > > offerings of those interested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will get it all together,
then try to come up with
> > a cohesive
> > > > > > system where someone hosts the
list serv, and others
> > promote a
> > > > > > FREE module that allows people
to sign up from the admin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have another pending project
and then 2 days off to busch 
> > > > > > gardens - then back to work on
that...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interested?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =============================
> > > > > > Bill Gilligan
> > > > > > Gilligan On-Line
> > > > > > www.gilliganonline.com
> > > > > > 727-373-2536
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Leslie  Webs
Your Way 
> [mailto:websyourwaygmail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28,
2006 11:08 AM
> > > > > > > To: Bill Gilligan
> > > > > > > Cc: R. M. Cartelli;
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [m5u] RE:
The New Boards - It is 
> very simple...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hear, hear!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So how do we stick
together?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Leslie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/28/06, Bill Gilligan
<billgilliganonline.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Well said...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
============================= Bill Gilligan Gilligan 
> > > > > > > > On-Line
www.gilliganonline.com
> > > > > > > > 727-373-2536
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From:
owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > > > > >
[mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On
> > > > > > Behalf Of R. M.
> > > > > > > > > Cartelli
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday,
March 28, 2006 10:55 AM
> > > > > > > > > To:
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [m5u]
RE: The New Boards - It is 
> very simple...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > RE: The New
Boards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is very
simple...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Less convenient
and less user friendly = fewer
> > > > > contributions =
> > > > > > > > > less value =
even fewer contributions = more
> > > > > frustrated users =
> > > > > > > > > less business
for Miva.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The new boards
may gain some traction if MM users a
> > > > > > forced to that
> > > > > > > > > location, but I
cannot imagine that they will be used
> > > > > > as much or
> > > > > > > > > more than the
current mail server system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Miva has
nothing to loose by keeping this very active
> > > > > > tight-knit,
> > > > > > > > > well-oiled,
self-help, business-generating
> > > community up and
> > > > > > > > > running and
policing itself.  Many companies 
> will spend 
> > > > > > > > > their entire
existence and lots of resources trying to
> > > > > build what we
> > > > > > > > > already use
everyday and they will never succeed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The fact that
Miva is dismantling the infrastructure
> > > > > > that binds a
> > > > > > > > > highly
successful user community, which is built upon
> > > > > > the honesty,
> > > > > > > > > goodwill, sweat
and cumulative knowledge of their most
> > > > > > loyal and
> > > > > > > > > experienced
users tells something about the
> > > > > management team and
> > > > > > > > > mindset of this
company.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With so many
other cart options on the market 
> and more 
> > > > > > > > > high-feature
low-cost options coming to market,
> > > > > > disbanding (or at
> > > > > > > > > least
significantly upsetting) the current crew Miva
> > > > > > loyalists is
> > > > > > > > > certainly not
in Miva's interests.  It is also
> > not in the
> > > > > > > > > interests of
Miva shareholders.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will go out
on a limb here and suggest that
> > the current
> > > > > > > crew of Miva
> > > > > > > > > loyalists
contributing to this list is one of Miva's 
> > > > > > > > > greatest
competitive advantages.  Great carts that 
> > > > > > > > > adequately
> > > > > serve the
> > > > > > > > > purpose for
many SMBs will eventually be very similar
> > > > > and very
> > > > > > > > > cheap, but
fanatical users freely sharing everything
> > > > > they know,
> > > > > > > > > helping to
build the business of the cart creator,
> > > > > will always
> > > > > > > > > remain
priceless.  As I see it, Miva's business
> > > is not about
> > > > > > > > > another
easily-copied feature.  It's about the people.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Again, it is
very simple...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Less convenient
and less user friendly = fewer 
> > > > > > > > >
contributions.................
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Onward...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rapid
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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