Announcement: New MIVA Community Tool on the Horizon

There are two sides here for those who want to save time,
and I think
the savings are there.

When I currently get all those list emails,  I scan quickly,
 find a
THREAD that interests me and follow it,  ignoring all those
multiple
posts that don't interest me.

Now - all I have to do is subscribe to a FORUM, and get an
email of the
FIRST post that creates a new thread. Now, my working habit
will be
greatly simplified.  I can more easily find threads that I
am interested
in,  and then instead of scanning for emails in that thread,
I can see
them all with a single click.

6 of one / half dozen of the other.  At the end of the day,
YES, forums
require some changes to habits, but with email notifications
of new
threads,  I don't think there is a need to "hang
out" AT the forums to
be active.

Best

Keith


Keith Hunniford| Director of Merchant Communities | MIVA
Small Business
|

MIVA Means Business 
smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: R. M. Cartelli [mailto:rapidrapidmarketing.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:55 PM
To: 'Bill Guindon'; 'MvMarkus'
Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com;
template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
Subject: RE: [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement: New
MIVA Community
Tool on the Horizon

I agree 100% with Markus's list opt-in suggestion.

Like many on this list, I monitor (passive) email all day
and night.
Experience tells me that having to make a constant
deliberate effort to
visit, revisit, and revisit again, the forum site, will
reduce the
number of readers and contributors, and therefore likely
reduce its
overall value.  I will join the forum and give it a fair
shake, and we
will see.

Onward...

Rapid








-----Original Message-----
From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
[mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of Bill
Guindon
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM
To: MvMarkus
Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com;
template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
Subject: [SPAM] [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement: New
MIVA
Community Tool on the Horizon

Or better yet, drop a forum front end on top of an existing
set of
lists:
http://www.ruby-forum.com/


On 3/23/06, MvMarkus <mvmarkusmgfint.com> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> Will it be possible to reply to a message and get it
posted directly 
> in
the
> forum, meaning without going through the website?
>
> If not, I am afraid that the community will loose lots
of regular
-instant-
> contributors/contributions from non-Miva people,
leaving the people 
> who
are
> asking for advice with potentially long delays to get
answers. The
regular,
> often quasi-professional contributors have rarely the
time available 
> to spend on a website to reply to posts. While a forum
caters to 
> people
seeking
> answers, it is very unpractical to those who provide
them. This is a 
> well known problem and one that caused the death of so
many of them.
>
> The ideal combination is probably to have a forum to
start a thread 
> and
post
> messages (questions, announcements, anwers), broadcast
posts to
subscribers
> (who opt in to receive them by mail) and allow them to
reply directly 
> to a message which then is published in the forum,
without forcing 
> them to log into a website. It's s very simple yet
efficient 
> mechanism, which fulfills the need for a more organized
way (after 
> all, threads will still have to
be
> started through the forum, so that a thematical
organisation will be 
> maintained), but on the other hand ensures the
necessary simplicity 
> that
the
> developer community needs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Markus
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com 
> [mailto:owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of Keith 
> Hunniford
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:10 PM
> To: merchant-usersmiva.com; merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com; miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: [meu] Announcement: New MIVA Community Tool on
the Horizon
>
> Greetings Community members,
>
> Change.  Some like it, some hate it.  Some embrace it
and some run 
> from
it.
>
> The way in which we communicate with our community
members, and enable
them
> to communicate with each other is about to change
radically.  On 
> Wednesday 29th March, we are going to thank our List
Server for its
> years of service and put it out to pasture.   We are
going to switch
> from a list server environment to highly functional
forums.
>
> Some things are going to change, and some will stay the
same.
>
> - MIVA support reps will man the forum providing free
support to all 
> users to supplement the valuable input of our developer
and designer 
> communities and our paid phone support model.
> - Team MIVA members will contribute to forums that
complement their 
> role within the company.
> - We've chosen a solution that as far as possible
mirrors the list 
> server features that we know many people enjoy.  You
will be able 
> subscribe to receive instant notification of all new
threads in any 
> forum.  While this doesn't mirror the "every
post" functionality of 
> the list server,  it does help keep you up to date, 
with the added 
> bonus of not having to wade through every posting on a
subject for
which you have no interest.
> - An "Off Topic" area will create a place
for civilized chat that up 
> until now has not had an official home.
> - The forum will serve as an efficient central
repository for 
> need-to-know information and announcements that we
currently don't 
> communicate effectively, such as upcoming events,
releases and issues.
>
> I've been on and off the MIVA lists for 7 years and
they have served 
> its members well, but it is truly time for this group
to enjoy a 
> richer community experience.  One where the company has
more 
> involvement and one that offers a much better
information repository 
> that helps new product users get the answers they need
quickly and
efficiently.
>
> The migration from these lists will be as follows:
>
> Monday, 27th March, we will post the forum URL and
welcome members to
create
> accounts.  Between Monday and Wednesday,  non-product
support areas of

> the forum will be open and active allowing us all to
find our feet.  
> On Wednesday,  the Product Support forums will become
active, and 
> postings to this list will be modified to include a
reminder of the
forums new role.
> While existing threads should complete on the list
servers, we request
that
> new threads are created in the appropriate forum.
>
> We are excited about this change.  There are many in
San Diego who 
> look forward to coming closer to the communities that
we know are an 
> integral part of our success.
>
> Not only is it a technology switch, but just as
importantly it marks a

> change in support policy, and Team MIVA member
visibility.  We enter 
> into this new phase of our relationship with enthusiasm
and an open 
> mind.  We trust that those who choose to take the step
of joining us 
> do so with the same attitude.
>
> Best regards
>
> Keith Hunniford
>
> Keith Hunniford| Director of Small Business Merchant
Communities | 
> MIVA Small Business |
>
> MIVA Means Business
> smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA
>
> ---------------------------------------------
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Thank
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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--
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)
The best answer to most questions is "it
depends".

------------------ MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
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------------------ MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
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  if you need to unsubscribe a different address, send a
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  with a subject or message body of
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---------------- END MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
-----------------

Well, having used numerous forums including such formats as
BBSes, FidoNet,
email lists, web forums, Yahoo groups, Usenet, live chat
forums and all the
rest during the 27 years that I have been online, I can pick
out just a
handful that have motivated me to participate:

Email lists (like this)
BBS/FidoNet discussion groups
Usenet
Yahoo groups (via email)

That's it. I have posted about 1000+ messages in the Miva
email lists since
2001, about 1000+ through BBSes/FidoNet, several hundred
through Usenet, and
several hundred through Yahoo groups.

And, despite the fact that I am a member of probably 20-30+
online forums, I
would guess my total forum posts number about 150-250. In
all forums. Ever. In
all of 27 years.

But I know Miva does what Miva wants. Although I really hate
to see such a
strong community dissipate in the blink of an eye, I
understand that Miva has
made a decision to discontinue the email lists, and there is
little or (more
likely) no chance that anything I say will affect Miva's
decision.

As for the argument that we can use "email
notifications of new threads" to
stay active: Been there, done that. I turn on notifications
long enough to get
an answer to a specific question, then I turn it off. Who
really wants dozens
of emails in their inbox with titles such as:

New thread: Shipping cost configuration??? I'm totall...
New thread: Can't login to my store any more and I ne...
New thread: What's the best way to turn thumbnails in...
New thread: I am having problems getting my data out ...

And when you look at the email body? "Visit the forums
to view this thread!"
No, I don't think so.

I do find it amusing that Miva's biggest strength, the Miva
lists, is being
removed. The community that has formed around the lists may
well be called,
"The Miva Fan Club". And yet Miva believes it
will be better off if the fan
club is dismantled and replaced by an online forum. Minus
most of the fans.

I can honestly say that this is the stupidest decision that
I have seen Miva
make, ever. Shutting down the lists cannot easily be undone.
And the longer
the lists are gone, the less likelihood there is that they
will ever be
restarted with the same spirit and vitality that currently
exists.

But go ahead, Miva: feel free to kill the Miva Fan Club.
You'll be doing it
with your eyes wide open.

Tom



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com 
> [mailto:owner-merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of 
> Keith Hunniford
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:02 PM
> To: R. M. Cartelli; Bill Guindon; MvMarkus
> Cc: merchant-usersmiva.com; 
> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com; 
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: [m5c] RE: [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu]
Announcement: 
> New MIVA Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> There are two sides here for those who want to save
time, and 
> I think the savings are there.
> 
> When I currently get all those list emails,  I scan
quickly,  
> find a THREAD that interests me and follow it, 
ignoring all 
> those multiple posts that don't interest me.
> 
> Now - all I have to do is subscribe to a FORUM, and get
an 
> email of the FIRST post that creates a new thread. Now,
my 
> working habit will be greatly simplified.  I can more
easily 
> find threads that I am interested in,  and then instead
of 
> scanning for emails in that thread, I can see them all
with a 
> single click.
> 
> 6 of one / half dozen of the other.  At the end of the
day, 
> YES, forums require some changes to habits, but with
email 
> notifications of new threads,  I don't think there is
a need 
> to "hang out" AT the forums to be active.
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Hunniford| Director of Merchant Communities |
MIVA 
> Small Business
> |
> 
> MIVA Means Business
> smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA 
> 
>  
> 
> --------------------------------------------- 
> 
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> INFORMATION IN THIS MESSAGE, INCLUDING ANY ATTACHMENTS,
IS 
> INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF
THE 
> RECIPIENT(S) NAMED ABOVE.
> If you are not an intended recipient of this message,
or an 
> agent responsible for delivering it to an intended
recipient, 
> you are hereby notified that you have received this
message 
> in error, and that any review, dissemination,
distribution, 
> or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If
you 
> received this message in error, please notify the
sender 
> immediately, delete the message, and return any hard
copy 
> print-outs. Thank You. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. M. Cartelli [mailto:rapidrapidmarketing.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:55 PM
> To: 'Bill Guindon'; 'MvMarkus'
> Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;

> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: RE: [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement:
New MIVA 
> Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> I agree 100% with Markus's list opt-in suggestion.
> 
> Like many on this list, I monitor (passive) email all
day and night.
> Experience tells me that having to make a constant
deliberate 
> effort to visit, revisit, and revisit again, the forum
site, 
> will reduce the number of readers and contributors, and

> therefore likely reduce its overall value.  I will join
the 
> forum and give it a fair shake, and we will see.
> 
> Onward...
> 
> Rapid
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of 
> Bill Guindon
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: MvMarkus
> Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;

> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement:
New 
> MIVA Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> Or better yet, drop a forum front end on top of an
existing set of
> lists:
> http://www.ruby-forum.com/

> 
> On 3/23/06, MvMarkus <mvmarkusmgfint.com> wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > Will it be possible to reply to a message and get
it posted 
> directly 
> > in
> the
> > forum, meaning without going through the website?
> >
> > If not, I am afraid that the community will loose
lots of regular
> -instant-
> > contributors/contributions from non-Miva people,
leaving the people 
> > who
> are
> > asking for advice with potentially long delays to
get answers. The
> regular,
> > often quasi-professional contributors have rarely
the time 
> available 
> > to spend on a website to reply to posts. While a
forum caters to 
> > people
> seeking
> > answers, it is very unpractical to those who
provide them. 
> This is a 
> > well known problem and one that caused the death
of so many of them.
> >
> > The ideal combination is probably to have a forum
to start a thread 
> > and
> post
> > messages (questions, announcements, anwers),
broadcast posts to
> subscribers
> > (who opt in to receive them by mail) and allow
them to 
> reply directly 
> > to a message which then is published in the forum,
without forcing 
> > them to log into a website. It's s very simple
yet efficient 
> > mechanism, which fulfills the need for a more
organized way (after 
> > all, threads will still have to
> be
> > started through the forum, so that a thematical 
> organisation will be 
> > maintained), but on the other hand ensures the
necessary simplicity 
> > that
> the
> > developer community needs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com 
> > [mailto:owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of Keith 
> > Hunniford
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:10 PM
> > To: merchant-usersmiva.com;
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > Subject: [meu] Announcement: New MIVA Community
Tool on the Horizon
> >
> > Greetings Community members,
> >
> > Change.  Some like it, some hate it.  Some embrace
it and some run 
> > from
> it.
> >
> > The way in which we communicate with our community
members, 
> and enable
> them
> > to communicate with each other is about to change
radically.  On 
> > Wednesday 29th March, we are going to thank our
List Server for its
> > years of service and put it out to pasture.   We
are going to switch
> > from a list server environment to highly
functional forums.
> >
> > Some things are going to change, and some will
stay the same.
> >
> > - MIVA support reps will man the forum providing
free 
> support to all 
> > users to supplement the valuable input of our
developer and 
> designer 
> > communities and our paid phone support model.
> > - Team MIVA members will contribute to forums that
complement their 
> > role within the company.
> > - We've chosen a solution that as far as possible
mirrors the list 
> > server features that we know many people enjoy. 
You will be able 
> > subscribe to receive instant notification of all
new threads in any 
> > forum.  While this doesn't mirror the
"every post" functionality of 
> > the list server,  it does help keep you up to
date,  with the added 
> > bonus of not having to wade through every posting
on a subject for
> which you have no interest.
> > - An "Off Topic" area will create a
place for civilized 
> chat that up 
> > until now has not had an official home.
> > - The forum will serve as an efficient central
repository for 
> > need-to-know information and announcements that we
currently don't 
> > communicate effectively, such as upcoming events,
releases 
> and issues.
> >
> > I've been on and off the MIVA lists for 7 years
and they 
> have served 
> > its members well, but it is truly time for this
group to enjoy a 
> > richer community experience.  One where the
company has more 
> > involvement and one that offers a much better
information 
> repository 
> > that helps new product users get the answers they
need quickly and
> efficiently.
> >
> > The migration from these lists will be as follows:
> >
> > Monday, 27th March, we will post the forum URL and
welcome 
> members to
> create
> > accounts.  Between Monday and Wednesday, 
non-product 
> support areas of
> 
> > the forum will be open and active allowing us all
to find 
> our feet.  
> > On Wednesday,  the Product Support forums will
become active, and 
> > postings to this list will be modified to include
a reminder of the
> forums new role.
> > While existing threads should complete on the list
servers, 
> we request
> that
> > new threads are created in the appropriate forum.
> >
> > We are excited about this change.  There are many
in San Diego who 
> > look forward to coming closer to the communities
that we 
> know are an 
> > integral part of our success.
> >
> > Not only is it a technology switch, but just as
importantly 
> it marks a
> 
> > change in support policy, and Team MIVA member
visibility.  
> We enter 
> > into this new phase of our relationship with
enthusiasm and an open 
> > mind.  We trust that those who choose to take the
step of 
> joining us 
> > do so with the same attitude.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Keith Hunniford
> >
> > Keith Hunniford| Director of Small Business
Merchant Communities | 
> > MIVA Small Business |
> >
> > MIVA Means Business
> > smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> > INFORMATION IN THIS MESSAGE, INCLUDING ANY
ATTACHMENTS, IS INTENDED 
> > ONLY
> FOR
> > THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF THE
RECIPIENT(S) NAMED ABOVE.
> > If you are not an intended recipient of this
message, or an agent 
> > responsible for delivering it to an intended
recipient, you 
> are hereby
> 
> > notified that you have received this message in
error, and that any
> review,
> > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this
message is strictly 
> > prohibited. If you received this message in error,
please notify the
> sender
> > immediately, delete the message, and return any
hard copy 
> print-outs.
> Thank
> > You.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------ MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER 
> ------------------- FEATURE
> 
> > REQUESTS: mailto:wishlistmiva.com TO FIND HELP: 
> > mailto:merchant-users-helplistmgr.miva.com
> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE - Send mail to:
> >     mailto:merchant-users-unsubscribelistmgr.miva.com
> >   if you need to unsubscribe a different address,
send a message to:
> >     mailto:ezmlmlistmgr.miva.com
> >   with a subject or message body of
> >     unsubscribe merchant-users yournameyourdomain.com
> > ---------------- END MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
-----------------
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)
> The best answer to most questions is "it
depends".
> 
> ------------------ MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
------------------- FEATURE
> REQUESTS: mailto:wishlistmiva.com TO FIND HELP:
> mailto:merchant5-users-helplistmgr.miva.com
> TO UNSUBSCRIBE - Send mail to:
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>   if you need to unsubscribe a different address, send
a message to:
>     mailto:ezmlmlistmgr.miva.com
>   with a subject or message body of
>     unsubscribe merchant5-users yournameyourdomain.com
> ---------------- END MIVA CORPORATION FOOTER
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Oops, my mistake! I thought incorrectly that I would only
receive notification
that a new message had appeared in the forum, but without
additional
information. But it was just pointed out to me offlist that
the notification
message will contain the text of the FIRST post that starts
each thread.

Unfortunately, it appears there is no email reply
capability.

Just wanted to correct my prior misstatement regarding
Vbulletin
functionality.

Tom



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com 
> [mailto:owner-merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of 
> Keith Hunniford
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:02 PM
> To: R. M. Cartelli; Bill Guindon; MvMarkus
> Cc: merchant-usersmiva.com; 
> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com; 
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: [m5c] RE: [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu]
Announcement: 
> New MIVA Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> There are two sides here for those who want to save
time, and 
> I think the savings are there.
> 
> When I currently get all those list emails,  I scan
quickly,  
> find a THREAD that interests me and follow it, 
ignoring all 
> those multiple posts that don't interest me.
> 
> Now - all I have to do is subscribe to a FORUM, and get
an 
> email of the FIRST post that creates a new thread. Now,
my 
> working habit will be greatly simplified.  I can more
easily 
> find threads that I am interested in,  and then instead
of 
> scanning for emails in that thread, I can see them all
with a 
> single click.
> 
> 6 of one / half dozen of the other.  At the end of the
day, 
> YES, forums require some changes to habits, but with
email 
> notifications of new threads,  I don't think there is
a need 
> to "hang out" AT the forums to be active.
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Hunniford| Director of Merchant Communities |
MIVA 
> Small Business
> |
> 
> MIVA Means Business
> smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA 
> 
>  
> 
> --------------------------------------------- 
> 
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> INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL USE OF
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> If you are not an intended recipient of this message,
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. M. Cartelli [mailto:rapidrapidmarketing.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:55 PM
> To: 'Bill Guindon'; 'MvMarkus'
> Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;

> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: RE: [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement:
New MIVA 
> Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> I agree 100% with Markus's list opt-in suggestion.
> 
> Like many on this list, I monitor (passive) email all
day and night.
> Experience tells me that having to make a constant
deliberate 
> effort to visit, revisit, and revisit again, the forum
site, 
> will reduce the number of readers and contributors, and

> therefore likely reduce its overall value.  I will join
the 
> forum and give it a fair shake, and we will see.
> 
> Onward...
> 
> Rapid
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com
> [mailto:owner-merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of 
> Bill Guindon
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: MvMarkus
> Cc: Keith Hunniford; merchant-usersmiva.com;

> merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
> miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com; merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [m5u] Re: [mru] RE: [meu] Announcement:
New 
> MIVA Community Tool on the Horizon
> 
> Or better yet, drop a forum front end on top of an
existing set of
> lists:
> http://www.ruby-forum.com/

> 
> On 3/23/06, MvMarkus <mvmarkusmgfint.com> wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > Will it be possible to reply to a message and get
it posted 
> directly 
> > in
> the
> > forum, meaning without going through the website?
> >
> > If not, I am afraid that the community will loose
lots of regular
> -instant-
> > contributors/contributions from non-Miva people,
leaving the people 
> > who
> are
> > asking for advice with potentially long delays to
get answers. The
> regular,
> > often quasi-professional contributors have rarely
the time 
> available 
> > to spend on a website to reply to posts. While a
forum caters to 
> > people
> seeking
> > answers, it is very unpractical to those who
provide them. 
> This is a 
> > well known problem and one that caused the death
of so many of them.
> >
> > The ideal combination is probably to have a forum
to start a thread 
> > and
> post
> > messages (questions, announcements, anwers),
broadcast posts to
> subscribers
> > (who opt in to receive them by mail) and allow
them to 
> reply directly 
> > to a message which then is published in the forum,
without forcing 
> > them to log into a website. It's s very simple
yet efficient 
> > mechanism, which fulfills the need for a more
organized way (after 
> > all, threads will still have to
> be
> > started through the forum, so that a thematical 
> organisation will be 
> > maintained), but on the other hand ensures the
necessary simplicity 
> > that
> the
> > developer community needs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com 
> > [mailto:owner-miva-userslistmgr.miva.com] On Behalf
Of Keith 
> > Hunniford
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:10 PM
> > To: merchant-usersmiva.com;
merchant5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > merchant5-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
miva-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > synchro-userslistmgr.miva.com; template5-userslistmgr.miva.com; 
> > merchant-coderslistmgr.miva.com;
merchant-userslistmgr.miva.com
> > Subject: [meu] Announcement: New MIVA Community
Tool on the Horizon
> >
> > Greetings Community members,
> >
> > Change.  Some like it, some hate it.  Some embrace
it and some run 
> > from
> it.
> >
> > The way in which we communicate with our community
members, 
> and enable
> them
> > to communicate with each other is about to change
radically.  On 
> > Wednesday 29th March, we are going to thank our
List Server for its
> > years of service and put it out to pasture.   We
are going to switch
> > from a list server environment to highly
functional forums.
> >
> > Some things are going to change, and some will
stay the same.
> >
> > - MIVA support reps will man the forum providing
free 
> support to all 
> > users to supplement the valuable input of our
developer and 
> designer 
> > communities and our paid phone support model.
> > - Team MIVA members will contribute to forums that
complement their 
> > role within the company.
> > - We've chosen a solution that as far as possible
mirrors the list 
> > server features that we know many people enjoy. 
You will be able 
> > subscribe to receive instant notification of all
new threads in any 
> > forum.  While this doesn't mirror the
"every post" functionality of 
> > the list server,  it does help keep you up to
date,  with the added 
> > bonus of not having to wade through every posting
on a subject for
> which you have no interest.
> > - An "Off Topic" area will create a
place for civilized 
> chat that up 
> > until now has not had an official home.
> > - The forum will serve as an efficient central
repository for 
> > need-to-know information and announcements that we
currently don't 
> > communicate effectively, such as upcoming events,
releases 
> and issues.
> >
> > I've been on and off the MIVA lists for 7 years
and they 
> have served 
> > its members well, but it is truly time for this
group to enjoy a 
> > richer community experience.  One where the
company has more 
> > involvement and one that offers a much better
information 
> repository 
> > that helps new product users get the answers they
need quickly and
> efficiently.
> >
> > The migration from these lists will be as follows:
> >
> > Monday, 27th March, we will post the forum URL and
welcome 
> members to
> create
> > accounts.  Between Monday and Wednesday, 
non-product 
> support areas of
> 
> > the forum will be open and active allowing us all
to find 
> our feet.  
> > On Wednesday,  the Product Support forums will
become active, and 
> > postings to this list will be modified to include
a reminder of the
> forums new role.
> > While existing threads should complete on the list
servers, 
> we request
> that
> > new threads are created in the appropriate forum.
> >
> > We are excited about this change.  There are many
in San Diego who 
> > look forward to coming closer to the communities
that we 
> know are an 
> > integral part of our success.
> >
> > Not only is it a technology switch, but just as
importantly 
> it marks a
> 
> > change in support policy, and Team MIVA member
visibility.  
> We enter 
> > into this new phase of our relationship with
enthusiasm and an open 
> > mind.  We trust that those who choose to take the
step of 
> joining us 
> > do so with the same attitude.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Keith Hunniford
> >
> > Keith Hunniford| Director of Small Business
Merchant Communities | 
> > MIVA Small Business |
> >
> > MIVA Means Business
> > smallbusiness.miva.com | NASDAQ:MIVA
> >
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> 
> --
> Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)
> The best answer to most questions is "it
depends".
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