Soc 2008 idea: Universal graphical Framwork

Hi,
We need different types of graphical designers like, xml
designer,
class designer, xaml designer, moonlight designer, etc.....
I think we should have a base framework, which will provide
basic
features like canvas and few controls and Monodevelop addin
api. So
that one can easily add there desired designer in
monodevelop (a PCB
designer for example).

What are ur views friends?

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Wow this would be great!! Would be possible to implement
later winforms 
designer (someone worked on it, but i dont know why it
disappeared) and 
qt4 designer?? )

Gfs

Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui napsal(a):
> Hi,
> We need different types of graphical designers like,
xml designer,
> class designer, xaml designer, moonlight designer,
etc.....
> I think we should have a base framework, which will
provide basic
> features like canvas and few controls and Monodevelop
addin api. So
> that one can easily add there desired designer in
monodevelop (a PCB
> designer for example).
>
> What are ur views friends?
>
>   



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On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Sharique uddin Ahmed
Farooqui
<safknwgmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>  We need different types of graphical designers like,
xml designer,
>  class designer, xaml designer, moonlight designer,
etc.....
>  I think we should have a base framework, which will
provide basic
>  features like canvas and few controls and Monodevelop
addin api. So
>  that one can easily add there desired designer in
monodevelop (a PCB
>  designer for example).
>
>  What are ur views friends?

There is no realistic way to provide a unified framework for
many of
these things. However, flow-type designers (class
visualiser, database
designer, workflow designer etc) could certainly share a
canvas,
ideally based on Moonlight, and a student has already been
discussing
this with us.

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A user interface designer is not like a drawing tool. The
controls you
put in the design surface must look and behave exactly like
the controls
at run-time. They are not graphical representations of the
run-time
controls, they are the *real* controls running in a special
design mode.
To do what you propose you would need to replicate gtk#,
winforms and
any other widget library you want to support using the
designer
framework. Even if you do that (which would take several
years) it
wouldn't work for custom widgets which use custom
rendering.

MonoDevelop already provides a toolbox and a property grid
which can be
shared by all designers. There isn't much more you can
share.

Lluis.

El dj 27 de 03 del 2008 a les 12:48 +0100, en/na Gryffus va
escriure:
> Wow this would be great!! Would be possible to
implement later winforms 
> designer (someone worked on it, but i dont know why it
disappeared) and 
> qt4 designer?? )
> 
> Gfs
> 
> Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui napsal(a):
> > Hi,
> > We need different types of graphical designers
like, xml designer,
> > class designer, xaml designer, moonlight designer,
etc.....
> > I think we should have a base framework, which
will provide basic
> > features like canvas and few controls and
Monodevelop addin api. So
> > that one can easily add there desired designer in
monodevelop (a PCB
> > designer for example).
> >
> > What are ur views friends?
> >
> >   
> 
> 
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2008/3/27, Lluis Sanchez Gual <lluisnovell.com>:
> A user interface designer is not like a drawing tool.
The controls you
>  put in the design surface must look and behave exactly
like the controls
>  at run-time. They are not graphical representations of
the run-time
>  controls, they are the *real* controls running in a
special design mode.
>  To do what you propose you would need to replicate
gtk#, winforms and
>  any other widget library you want to support using the
designer
>  framework. Even if you do that (which would take
several years) it
>  wouldn't work for custom widgets which use custom
rendering.
>
>  MonoDevelop already provides a toolbox and a property
grid which can be
>  shared by all designers. There isn't much more you can
share.
This share work with WinForms (.designer file) ?
>
>  Lluis.
>
>  El dj 27 de 03 del 2008 a les 12:48 +0100, en/na
Gryffus va escriure:
>
> > Wow this would be great!! Would be possible to
implement later winforms
>  > designer (someone worked on it, but i dont know
why it disappeared) and
>  > qt4 designer?? )
>  >
>  > Gfs
>  >
>  > Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui napsal(a):
>  > > Hi,
>  > > We need different types of graphical
designers like, xml designer,
>  > > class designer, xaml designer, moonlight
designer, etc.....
>  > > I think we should have a base framework,
which will provide basic
>  > > features like canvas and few controls and
Monodevelop addin api. So
>  > > that one can easily add there desired
designer in monodevelop (a PCB
>  > > designer for example).
>  > >
>  > > What are ur views friends?
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>
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El dj 27 de 03 del 2008 a les 13:54 +0100, en/na Petit Eric
va escriure:
> 2008/3/27, Lluis Sanchez Gual <lluisnovell.com>:
> > A user interface designer is not like a drawing
tool. The controls you
> >  put in the design surface must look and behave
exactly like the controls
> >  at run-time. They are not graphical
representations of the run-time
> >  controls, they are the *real* controls running in
a special design mode.
> >  To do what you propose you would need to
replicate gtk#, winforms and
> >  any other widget library you want to support
using the designer
> >  framework. Even if you do that (which would take
several years) it
> >  wouldn't work for custom widgets which use custom
rendering.
> >
> >  MonoDevelop already provides a toolbox and a
property grid which can be
> >  shared by all designers. There isn't much more
you can share.
> This share work with WinForms (.designer file) ?

No, since MD does not have a WinForms designer, and there
are no plans
to implement it.

Lluis.

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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Michael Hutchinson
<m.j.hutchinsongmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Sharique uddin Ahmed
Farooqui
>  <safknwgmail.com> wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >  We need different types of graphical designers
like, xml designer,
>  >  class designer, xaml designer, moonlight
designer, etc.....
>  >  I think we should have a base framework, which
will provide basic
>  >  features like canvas and few controls and
Monodevelop addin api. So
>  >  that one can easily add there desired designer
in monodevelop (a PCB
>  >  designer for example).
>  >
>  >  What are ur views friends?
>
>  There is no realistic way to provide a unified
framework for many of
>  these things. However, flow-type designers (class
visualiser, database
>  designer, workflow designer etc) could certainly share
a canvas,
>  ideally based on Moonlight, and a student has already
been discussing
>  this with us.
That's great. I think this can be extended to PCB and
graphics (xaml
is similar to svg?), game object designers as well (leave
this for
companies).
This will make mono more extensible, so more people will use
it.
>
>  --
>  Michael Hutchinson
>  http://mjhutchinson.com
>



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Hello Sharique.

Something like that is what I've been thinking with
MonoHotDraw [1].
After talking with some people in the #monosoc channel, I
came to the
conclusion that the best way would be to port MonoHotDraw to
run on
the top of Moonlight (currently It runs over Gtk#/Cario).

I'm planing to submit two proposals for GSoC. One is a Class
Designer
for MonoDevelop (actually, this one is already submmited, if
you are a
mentor, you could start making comments and suggestions).
The other
one is for make some improvements to Lunar Eclipse, the XAML
editor.
In both cases my plan is to build a reusable framework for
writing
graphical editors that use structured graphics. There are
plenty of
cool stuff that could be made with a framework such that:

   * A Class Designer for MonoDevelop.
   * A DataBase Graphical Desginer for MonoDevelop
   * A Dia replacement with all the cool features that
Moonlight can offer.
   * An UML Editor (Actually, the MonoHotDraw project has
been
written as a part o the MonoUML project)
   * A Mind map editor. How could would be a mind map editor
for
tomboy. Or a moonlight collaborative mind map editor to be
used inside
a wiki engine.
   * Improvements to Lunar eclipse.

[1] http:/
/www.monouml.org/doku.php?id=monohotdraw
2008/3/24, Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui <safknwgmail.com>:
> Hi,
>  We need different types of graphical designers like,
xml designer,
>  class designer, xaml designer, moonlight designer,
etc.....
>  I think we should have a base framework, which will
provide basic
>  features like canvas and few controls and Monodevelop
addin api. So
>  that one can easily add there desired designer in
monodevelop (a PCB
>  designer for example).
>
>  What are ur views friends?
>
>
>  --
>  Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui
>  (C++/C# Developer, IT Consultant)
>  http://safknw.blogspot.co
m/
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