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Is this thing on?
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2008-05-27 20:20:53
I am sort of feeling like I'm talking to myself...

	-hpa

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Re: Is this thing on?
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2008-05-28 03:13:28
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> I am sort of feeling like I'm talking to myself...
> 

I'm a lurker, but yes, it's on :P

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Re: Is this thing on?
user name
2008-05-28 11:16:29
Andreas Ericsson wrote:
> H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> I am sort of feeling like I'm talking to myself...
> 
> I'm a lurker, but yes, it's on :P
> 

I'm more than a little frustrated about how little feedback
I've gotten 
of the stuff I've done over the last few weeks... it hasn't
really been 
easy to take the time to do it.  I'm massively concerned
about the fact 
that we don't have a Mach-O maintainer (without 64-bit
Mach-O support I 
do not consider 64-bit NASM to be feature-complete), and
even the stuff
we have doesn't seem to get used all that much anymore?

Or am I just seeing things way too negatively?

	-hpa


P.S. nasm64developer has been incredibly helpful with
testing stuff, 
although sometimes communicating in bug reports can be
discouraging 

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Re: Is this thing on?
user name
2008-05-28 11:49:55
> P.S. nasm64developer has been incredibly helpful with
testing stuff,
> although sometimes communicating in bug reports can be
discouraging 

Sorry about that. I just like the history trail they provide
(without having
to search through countless mailing list postings), and the
'slow down'
they introduce (which helps me think, before I go off and do
stuff). And
being able to refer to a number instead of 'something got
discussed by
someone somewhere somewhen' is a good thing too IMO.  

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Re: Is this thing on?
user name
2008-05-28 12:00:51
anonymous coward wrote:
>> P.S. nasm64developer has been incredibly helpful
with testing stuff,
>> although sometimes communicating in bug reports can
be discouraging 
> 
> Sorry about that. I just like the history trail they
provide (without having
> to search through countless mailing list postings), and
the 'slow down'
> they introduce (which helps me think, before I go off
and do stuff). And
> being able to refer to a number instead of 'something
got discussed by
> someone somewhere somewhen' is a good thing too IMO. 


Oh, I agree; and the bug reports you provide are incredibly
helpful. 
I'm not all that fond of Sourceforge's tracker system --
it's one of the 
clunkier ones I have used, especially the fact that it can't
remember my 
login between sessions -- but it's sort of the electronic
version of 
communicating in form-letter memos, not very "touchy
feely".

	-hpa

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Re: Is this thing on?
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2008-05-29 11:12:54
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Andreas Ericsson wrote:
>> H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> I am sort of feeling like I'm talking to
myself...
>> I'm a lurker, but yes, it's on :P
>>
> 
> I'm more than a little frustrated about how little
feedback I've gotten 
> of the stuff I've done over the last few weeks... it
hasn't really been 
> easy to take the time to do it.

I can imagine. I'm trying to work on five different projects
myself, and
there's never enough time for even one, it seems.

>  I'm massively concerned about the fact 
> that we don't have a Mach-O maintainer (without 64-bit
Mach-O support I 
> do not consider 64-bit NASM to be feature-complete),
and even the stuff
> we have doesn't seem to get used all that much
anymore?
> 

I would like to step up and say "I'll do that",
but unfortunately I can't,
as my asm-fu is... well, I don't have any.

I could probably do some janitorial work on the C-sources or
some such
though, although you seem primarily focused on adding new
features, so
I don't know what stuff you would like done, if any, that I
can do,
especially since I'm not at all familiar with the nasm
sourcetree.

> Or am I just seeing things way too negatively?
> 

Chin up. It's summer! 

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Re: Is this thing on?
user name
2008-05-29 12:18:09
Andreas Ericsson wrote:
> 
> I would like to step up and say "I'll do
that", but unfortunately I can't,
> as my asm-fu is... well, I don't have any.
> 
> I could probably do some janitorial work on the
C-sources or some such
> though, although you seem primarily focused on adding
new features, so
> I don't know what stuff you would like done, if any,
that I can do,
> especially since I'm not at all familiar with the nasm
sourcetree.
> 

Well, these are things that I think we need:

- A Mach-O backend maintainer (Mac person).
- Someone to take responsibility for the instruction table,
since we
   have a number of issues with it.  This one actually
requires
   relatively little understanding of the code base,
especially with the
   changes that I've made recently.  It mostly requires
being willing to
   dig through manuals and websites and verify that the
table matches
   reality.
- Automatic testing.  Victor has written a regression test
framework,
   but we really could use a pile of regression tests
(automatically
   generating them should be at least partially possible.)
- Documentation.

There are a lot of core changes which are necessary, such as
fixing the 
matching system.  Right now, a big blocker to those is that
some of 
those will require instruction table changes, and I'm sorry,
I can't do 
both.  I'm already spending *way* too much time and energy
on this.

	-hpa

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