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Brad du Plessis wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
>>> /netbsd: Galileo (Marvell) Technology product
0x4362 (ethernet
>>> network, revision 0x19) at pci2 dev 0 function
0 not configured
>>>
>
>> This is probably a Yukon 2 chipset, that we
unfortunately don't support
>> yet. You could try kludging a match in the sk(4)
driver, but if it is
>> Yukon 2, it won't work.
>
> Are you able to tell me if anyone is currently working
on this and, if
> so, when might support for this device be included ?
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Brad

I don't know for sure if anyone's actively working on it -
I've
considered doing it myself as it comes up from time to time,
but I don't
currently have any yukon 2 cards.

+j

Hi there,

I have been using mutt + fetchmail + procmail + msmtp for
quite long
time (four years). Fetchmail retrieves my email using pop3
against
my a couple of servers (gmail and my work email). Procmail
performs
the filtering and puts the email in the right box. 

I see a problem with this configuration though: All my email
is
removed from the server and is stored in my laptop, which
means
I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I always have
to
use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I would
end up
having my emails in different places.

The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use IMAP, I
am going to 
lose all the procmail filtering magic since the email will
be
stored in the server. Am I right?

I have consider the possibility of using thunderbird but I
want to keep
using mutt.

My questions are: 

How can I add some ubiquity without losing the benefits of
my current 
configuration? 

What do you guys use for reading your email?

Have a good day,

David
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> Hi there,
>
> I have been using mutt + fetchmail + procmail + msmtp
for quite long
> time (four years). Fetchmail retrieves my email using
pop3 against
> my a couple of servers (gmail and my work email).
Procmail performs
> the filtering and puts the email in the right box.
>
> I see a problem with this configuration though: All my
email is
> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means
> I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I always
have to
> use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I
would end up
> having my emails in different places.
>
> The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use
IMAP, I am going to
> lose all the procmail filtering magic since the email
will be
> stored in the server. Am I right?
>
> I have consider the possibility of using thunderbird
but I want to keep
> using mutt.
>
> My questions are:
>
> How can I add some ubiquity without losing the benefits
of my current
> configuration?


hmm...mr. google.com/bsd turns this up (first hit):

http://www
.shellbang.org/freebsd/imap.html
this is untested so i'm not sure if this addresses your
concerns...

there is also a filtering lang. called "sieve"
that may be worth a look.
http://www.fastmai
l.fm/docs/sieve/

google will turn up more info on how to implement this in
courier or cyrus.

-p



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On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:42 PM, David Rio Deiros wrote:
>
> I see a problem with this configuration though: All my
email is
> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means
> I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I always
have to
> use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I
would end up
> having my emails in different places.
>
> The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use
IMAP, I am  
> going to
> lose all the procmail filtering magic since the email
will be
> stored in the server. Am I right?
>

Just tell fetchmail to keep the mail on the server. I
believe it's as  
simple as putting a "keep" command in the proper
place in your  
fetchmailrc.

Mike

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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:59 -0700
David Rio Deiros <driodeirosgmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I have been using mutt + fetchmail + procmail + msmtp
for quite long
> time (four years). Fetchmail retrieves my email using
pop3 against
> my a couple of servers (gmail and my work email).
Procmail performs
> the filtering and puts the email in the right box. 
> 
> I see a problem with this configuration though: All my
email is
> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means
> I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I always
have to
> use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I
would end up
> having my emails in different places.
> 
> The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use
IMAP, I am going
> to lose all the procmail filtering magic since the
email will be
> stored in the server. Am I right?
> 
> I have consider the possibility of using thunderbird
but I want to
> keep using mutt.
> 
> My questions are: 
> 
> How can I add some ubiquity without losing the benefits
of my current 
> configuration? 
> 
> What do you guys use for reading your email?
> 
> Have a good day,
> 
> David

My set up may not apply to you because I have mail services
running in
a colo, but it is similar to yours and was designed to
scratch the same
itch.   My design goals were: available anywhere, relatively
secure,
centralized collection/archive/backup (never bring the mail
local).

While most of my mail comes directly to my domain, I also
pull mail from
multiple sources using fetchmail and gotmail.  All mail is
fed thru
procmail, sorted, and then dropped into a virtual IMAP
mailbox.  I can
get mail from home, the laptop on the road, a client site
loaner pc, or
anywhere, really.

Storage and backups are done in one place.  A combination of
securing
the connection to IMAP and SMTP kinda keep it private. Spam
for the
domain mail is handled on the server, but public mail
service (yahoo,
hotmail, etc) messages requires some handling if they can
not be
'forwarded' to the domain account.

I am a believer that if you truly want to control your mail
you have to
have some level of control over the server.  If racking
hardware
in a colo is beyond your needs/means, then renting (even
just a jail
somewhere) could be in reach.

-- 

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On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 09:42:59AM -0700, David Rio Deiros
wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> 
> I see a problem with this configuration though: All my
email is
> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means
> I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I always
have to
> use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I
would end up
> having my emails in different places.
> 
> The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use
IMAP, I am going to 
> lose all the procmail filtering magic since the email
will be
> stored in the server. Am I right?

For what it's worth, getmail enables you to use IMAP or Pop
(I assume
fetchmail does as well).  Then, I send it to maildrop
(thanks Tillman,
if you see this) which filters it.  This will work with both
IMAP and
Pop.  Getmail gives you the option to remove the messages
from the
server or not and only download new messages. 

Can't you do that with fetchmail?  Then, feed the
downloaded stuff to
procmail and leave it on the server?   Or am I missing
something
obvious?



> 
> 
> What do you guys use for reading your email?

My eyes.  <ducks and runs, sorry, couldn't resist>  

One caveat to what I've written above is that I seldom have
mail I want
to save.  I have a special saved mbox, however, which I do
back up
periodically. 

I hope this helps, I just have the feeling I'm missing
something really
obvious. 


- -- 

Scott

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* David Rio Deiros <driodeirosgmail.com> [2006-04-25
09:42:59 -0700]:
> I have been using mutt + fetchmail + procmail + msmtp
for quite long
> time (four years).

I have pretty much an identical setup, but instead of
fetchmail, I use
getmail (see the FAQ on pyropus.ca to see why it is better
than
fetchmail).

> I see a problem with this configuration though: All my
email is
> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means I have
> to backup the email periodically.

Here's what I do:

    - Use procmail/mutt to file a separate copy of inbound
and outbound
      messages. For inbound mail, the procmail rule I use
is:

            # archive inbox
            :0c
            *
            $MAILDIR/archives/in

      For outbound mail, the mutt feature I use is:

            set record = "=out"

    - At the end of every month, I go and archive all the
mail into a
      tar file. I do this by hand right now (so I can clean
out spam
      that was not caught by SA and delete messages with
excessively
      large attachments), but there is no reason why you
couldn't script
      this.

    - I encrypt this file with GnuPG

    - I store it in three places:

        - on my home FreeBSD box

        - on a second hard disk on my home FreeBSD box
          (in case my hard drive gets nuked)

        - on a GMail account used solely for this purpose
          (in case New York City gets nuked - but if that
happens,
          retrieving my old email will probably be the least
of my
          worries

hth,
Thomas

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On Apr 25, 2006, at 1:09 PM, michael wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:59 -0700
> David Rio Deiros <driodeirosgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have been using mutt + fetchmail + procmail +
msmtp for quite long
>> time (four years). Fetchmail retrieves my email
using pop3 against
>> my a couple of servers (gmail and my work email).
Procmail performs
>> the filtering and puts the email in the right box.
>>
>> I see a problem with this configuration though: All
my email is
>> removed from the server and is stored in my laptop,
which means
>> I have to backup the email periodically. Also, I
always have to
>> use my laptop to read/retrieve my email otherwise I
would end up
>> having my emails in different places.
>>
>> The logical solution seems to be IMAP. But if I use
IMAP, I am going
>> to lose all the procmail filtering magic since the
email will be
>> stored in the server. Am I right?
>>
>> I have consider the possibility of using
thunderbird but I want to
>> keep using mutt.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> How can I add some ubiquity without losing the
benefits of my current
>> configuration?
>>
>> What do you guys use for reading your email?
>>
>> Have a good day,
>>
>> David

First sorry I missed the original...

Well lucky for you David IMAP is very flexible. There are
numerous  
possibilities in the ports tree that can be used to address
this  
situation. One of the interesting possibilities is to use a
fat IMAP  
client like thunderchicken to access the mail account and
filter your  
mail into various folders removing SPAM and such.  Of course
the down  
side is that you would need a workstation to constantly run
his app  
logged in as yourself. Not really a good way to go unless
you are  
stuck in windows land, which since you are on this list I
can bet  
that you are not.

Ok so plan two would be to use a combo of procmail and one
of the  
IMAP sync apps in the ports tree, like isync or offlineimap.
The way  
you slice it here really depends on your personal flare. You
can have  
your server run procmail before it delivers to your mailbox
and then  
use one of the sync apps to sync it local. if you do not
have  
procmail access on the server you could actually do the
reverse. Run  
procmail on your local and backsync to the server thus
maintaining  
the filtering.

There is also imapfilter , and you can use an updated
version of  
fetchmail to grab you imap box.

Cheers,
mikel


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"N.J. Thomas" <njtayvali.org> wrote:
 
>     - I encrypt this file with GnuPG
> 
>     - I store it in three places:

Which of course beckons the question:  Where do you keep
your private
pgp key?



-Jan

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