CVS commit: src/distrib/sets/lists

On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:16:29PM -0400, Douglas Wade
Needham wrote:
> 
> What I will say is that at this point, I
> certainly cannot see any reason a discussion about the
possible
> removal of sendmail could not have been carried out on
a list such as
> this, just as other feature changes are often
discussed.
>

The issue was discussed.  Unfortunately sendmail vs others
is one of
those polarising issues.  There really is no
"right" solution, there
will always be a group of people that will be
disenfranchised whatever
way this went.  I suspect most people will be happy just to
have a MTA
that forwards their mail, for the people that require a
specific
feature set then there is always pkgsrc - if that doesn't
cut it I am
sure that sendmail builds from source without any hassle.

FWIW my preference would have been to leave sendmail in the
tree but
the it was decided it should go.  I shall get over it -
pkgsrc or hand
built will do me.

-- 
Brett Lymn

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Brett Lymn wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:16:29PM -0400, Douglas Wade
Needham wrote:
>>
>> What I will say is that at this point, I
>> certainly cannot see any reason a discussion about
the possible
>> removal of sendmail could not have been carried out
on a list such as
>> this, just as other feature changes are often
discussed.
>>
>
> The issue was discussed.  Unfortunately sendmail vs
others is one of
> those polarising issues.  There really is no
"right" solution, there
> will always be a group of people that will be
disenfranchised whatever
> way this went.  I suspect most people will be happy
just to have a MTA
> that forwards their mail, for the people that require a
specific
> feature set then there is always pkgsrc - if that
doesn't cut it I am
> sure that sendmail builds from source without any
hassle.
>
> FWIW my preference would have been to leave sendmail in
the tree but
> the it was decided it should go.  I shall get over it -
pkgsrc or hand
> built will do me.

Or even an announcement before I started seeing cvs commit
messages
would be nice.

And I forget what it was, but when I complained about
something
recently, one of you core guys said, "This was
discussed and decided in
core. Tough noogies." I'm not sure what that means.
Do you want me to
fork (not likely) or go to another OS (not likely, but
easier for me
than the other option.)

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htoddtwofifty.com
BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) +
$2.50 = latte

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Brett Lymn wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:16:29PM -0400, Douglas
Wade Needham wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I will say is that at this point, I
>>> certainly cannot see any reason a discussion
about the possible
>>> removal of sendmail could not have been carried
out on a list such as
>>> this, just as other feature changes are often
discussed.
>>> 
>> 
>> The issue was discussed.  Unfortunately sendmail vs
others is one of
>> those polarising issues.  There really is no
"right" solution, there
>> will always be a group of people that will be
disenfranchised whatever
>> way this went.  I suspect most people will be happy
just to have a MTA
>> that forwards their mail, for the people that
require a specific
>> feature set then there is always pkgsrc - if that
doesn't cut it I am
>> sure that sendmail builds from source without any
hassle.
>> 
>> FWIW my preference would have been to leave
sendmail in the tree but
>> the it was decided it should go.  I shall get over
it - pkgsrc or hand
>> built will do me.
>
> Or even an announcement before I started seeing cvs
commit messages
> would be nice.
>
> And I forget what it was, but when I complained about
something
> recently, one of you core guys said, "This was
discussed and decided in
> core. Tough noogies." I'm not sure what that
means. Do you want me to
> fork (not likely) or go to another OS (not likely, but
easier for me
> than the other option.)

Oh, and let me emphasize my actual point, core is opaque.
Only core
knows what happens in core. I guess it's not as bad as
fight club, but
sheesh. Can't you at least post some minutes of your
meetings?

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htoddtwofifty.com
BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) +
$2.50 = latte

At Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:27:56 -0700 (PDT),
Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> Oh, and let me emphasize my actual point, core is
opaque. Only core
> knows what happens in core. I guess it's not as bad as
fight club, but
> sheesh. Can't you at least post some minutes of your
meetings?

Yes, with the private information omitted. That would be
nice.

At Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:27:56 -0700 (PDT),
Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> Oh, and let me emphasize my actual point, core is
opaque. Only core
> knows what happens in core. I guess it's not as bad as
fight club, but
> sheesh. Can't you at least post some minutes of your
meetings?

Yes, with the private information omitted. That would be
nice.