Re: 7 points user's memo (was why XML?)

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:28:19 -0000 (GMT)
"Andrew Ball" <aballstudents.prairiestate.edu> wrote:

> This is just like in a meeting where ideas are proposed
and then
> rejected.  It may /seem/ like no progress has been
made, but in truth
> participants are in a subtly different position because
everyone knows
> what was discussed and that can shape future thinking.
In an effective
> meeting each participant has to understand that
"no" can be a valid
> answer and (except in the rare extreme case) try to
respect the
> consensus.

Hi,

Not only the "participant has to" but "he
does" understand. "No" has the
same meaning (sometimes positive) as "yes"
(seometimes negative). I know
that.

> I think the "in what format" has been asked
and answered, although
> there's probably always room for discussion of
potentially useful
> tools.
It wasn't. I haven't seen "top brass names" in the
following
discussion. Everyone said aloud his opinion and that's all.
Yeah, I
should noticed from the lack of any "decision"
that "what is" will be
continued.

>   PP> I can create new WWW with NetBSD contents ina
few days.  It's no
>     > problem as I designed and created numerous
WWWs...
>
> I've given people a solid grounding in HTML in a one
hour class and
> they've gone on to develop their own Web sites. It's a
useful, but not
> exremely rare skill.  Being able to write effective
copy is another
> useful skill.  The combination of those is probably
more unusual, but
> teamwork can help there.

Writing WWW is a two skills' "art" - in HTML and
layout. Or three if
you can conjure up HTML pages with the help of scripts
written in
Bash or other scripting language (e.g. Rexx).

>   PP> For the last time I suggest you a change. No
threat, but result
>     > of my discouragement.
>
> That's almost unreadable as English.  I /think/ you're
saying that you
> made some suggestions, that were not meant as threats,
but you fealt
> discouraged because your suggestions were not adopted. 
Is that what
> you meant?

No, the accent is not on "suggestions" I've made
but on the time: "for
the last time". In other words I declare that for the
last time I
submit in the mailing list any idea of mine. And to
alleviate the
utterance which could sound to many blasphemously , I added
that "it
is not a threat" from my side that "I never ever
open my mouth to
you" (it is a subtle joke, a self-irony), but my
decision comes from my
disillusionment that so small we have achieved with the
discussions so
far.

>   PP> What about Great NetBSD Docu Division? What's
that?
>
> It sounds like a (somewhat inflamatory) way of stating
the obvious and
> inevitable fact that there will always be documentation
that is an
> official part of the NetBSD project and unsupported
(but still very
> useful and valued) third-party work.

I said it in earnest but with joking tinge. The division
exists after
all. And I know that. Oh Lord, why inflamatory?! No one here
has sense
of humor? Please...

>   PP> 1) "WWW Team" and "Wiki
Team" will be "formally" elected (with
>     >    common sense on mind of course  ) with
__member names
>     >    available to all__.
>
> I don't have a problem with this per se, but can't help
thinking that
> it might actively discourage contributions.

I don't want to write to ephemeral "www team", but
to names "with blood
and bones."


>   PP> 4) All hostilities between WWW and Wiki will
stop immediately.
>
> Perhaps I've been living under a rock, but I wonder
whether these
> "hostilities" exist outside your own
imagination.

Jesus Christ! That's only a restatement of facts. When Zafar
Aydogan
(wiki maintainer) wrotes the "documentation is a
rot" what do you think
it is? An accolade?

>   PP> 5) Developers and programmers (or WWW Team)
will determine weak
>     >    points in NetBSD Docs and will start to
improve the
>     >    situation.
>
> That sounds like a good idea.

Uffff. At last. 

Thanks for your e-mail. You gave me a sparse occasion to
write on
substance of my ideas.

Regards,
pp
--
Przemysław Pawełczyk <ppkv.net.pl>