Re: 7 points user's memo

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:10:05 +0200 (CEST)
Mark Weinem <mark.weinemalumni.uni-due.de>
wrote:

> might be - but there is no "right" layout!

I should say "less convenient" layout. Pardon.

> > 2) outdated docu-pages
>
> Please list the outdated docs and the updates you
need.
> We will then help to update them.
I recapped your words.

> > 3) weak cooperation with community
>
> I don't understand this: what is the community?
Community of users?
> The submitters, developers and maintainers are the
users! Any
> separation between NetBSD users and doers is IMHO a
deception.
Maybe. But look on software project. There is a team of
developers,
analysts, and managers and on the other side a user in a
form of
another team of managers, workers, and computer maintainers.
The two
teams have to work out common project. For users, __not for
themselves__. Do you see the division? Woild you call it
deception?

> > let me say first that we ended now with no
changes.
> What did you expect after only a few days of
discussion?
Your experience should prompt you right answer.

> > A few days ago Jeremy C. Reed created new page in
Wiki. Sporadic, ad
> > hoc activity tailored to suddenly emerging
circumstations aka needs.

I got nothing against Jeremy! I only wanted to show you
"a mechanism",
a habit of doing things ad hoc.

> > I can create new WWW with NetBSD contents ina few
days. It's no
> > problem as I designed and created numerous WWWs
(back from OS/2
> > Warp times). But what for? For personal glory?
>
> No, for the users of NetBSD! So please go for it and
setup the "NetBSD
> Community Documentation Project". Don't wait for
elections, voting
> results, "visions" or orders from official
parties. Helpful ressources
> like the Wiki, the "NetBSD News Beat" or
"The NetBSD CVS Digest" would
> not exist if their creators have waited for consent,
votes or
> directives.
No, no, no! I'd like to do it within framework of NetBSD
pages. But I'd
like first to find out "where and what". So I
asked if some changes
would be possible.


>  	http://www.onetbsd.org
(News Beat)
>  	http://digest.coris.org.uk
 (CVS Digest)
>
>
> > 1) "WWW Team" and "Wiki Team"
will be "formally" elected (with
> > common sense on mind of course  ) with
__member names available
> > to all__.
> >
> > 2) WWW Team and Wiki Team will declare mutual help
signed on highest
> > levels. 
>
> Sorry, but please stop being silly!
You're damn right serious. Didn't you feel a touch of
humor?

> > 4) All hostilities between WWW and Wiki will stop
immediately.
> There are no hostilities!
Wrong answer. Read the threads once more. If you are too
lazy you'll
find the correct answer in netbsd-docs in my email to Andrew
Ball. Of
course "hostilities" fit into the whole "7
point memo". You can read it
as "argues".

> > Links to Wiki will be placed on official WWW were
needed or
> > suggested by Wiki Team (__as users know better
what they want to
> > see on NetBSD WWW__).
>
> netbsd.org has already to many (and to nested) links
and maybe also to
> many pages. So what comes next, all the links to news
sites, digests,
> IRC channels, wikipedia articles and web forums?

You missed one point where I proposed to move some pages
from NetBSD to
wiki. Once to relieve NetBSD, twice, to shore up wiki.

> Kind regards, Mark
Best regards, Przemyslaw
--
Przemysław Pawełczyk <ppkv.net.pl>

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, PrzemysÅ~Baw PaweÅ~Bczyk wrote:

> > > A few days ago Jeremy C. Reed created new
page in Wiki. Sporadic, ad
> > > hoc activity tailored to suddenly emerging
circumstations aka needs.
> 
> I got nothing against Jeremy! I only wanted to show you
"a mechanism",
> a habit of doing things ad hoc.

Are you complaining that I am using a wiki as a wiki? Are
you suggesting 
that I shouldn't have started that simple wiki page for my
topic?

"Ad hoc" seems appropriate here. I just can't tell
if you are being 
negative or positive.

...

> > netbsd.org has already to many (and to nested)
links and maybe also to
> > many pages. So what comes next, all the links to
news sites, digests,
> > IRC channels, wikipedia articles and web forums?
> 
> You missed one point where I proposed to move some
pages from NetBSD to
> wiki. Once to relieve NetBSD, twice, to shore up wiki.

  Jeremy C. Reed