RFC: Changes to htdocs/gallery/index.xml and resources.xml

Hi,

to find "a home" for support resources like Chats,
Wikis and Blogs i 
propose the following changes: 


1. Changes to resources.xml

   http://www.ma
rkweinem.de/resources.html

* Changing the title from "Other NetBSD resources"
to "More NetBSD 
resources".    It's surely just a matter of style or
taste, but a page 
with the title "Other..."  containing a section
"Other" sounds somehow 
jarring.

* added: 

	- "Online chats" (IRC, SILC) , "Wikis",
"Blogs", "Fun and advocacy"


* removed links: 

	- "NetBSD Brasil..." as site is not available
anymore and
  
	- "BSD User Groups (Searchable database)", link
moved to    
  	gallery/groups.xml.


2. Changes to gallery/index.xml

	http://ww
w.markweinem.de/gallery_index.html


Section "Support" gets additional link:
"Internet forums, Newsgroups, 
online chats and wikis". It links to resources.html.


That's it, please review, comment and help to improve.


thanks & best regards, Mark 

On Fri, 4 May 2007, Mark Weinem wrote:
> That's it, please review, comment and help to improve.

Sounds ok!


  - Hubert

> to find "a home" for support resources like
Chats, Wikis and Blogs i
> propose the following changes:

Thanks to Hubert for reviewing!

The patch for the changes to htdocs/gallery/ groups.xml,
index.xml and
resources.xml is attached.


Best regards, Mark

-- 
Mark Weinem
Jabber: weinemjabber.cz
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On Mon, 7 May 2007, Mark Weinem wrote:
> The patch for the changes to htdocs/gallery/
groups.xml, index.xml and
> resources.xml is attached.

I'v committed this, thanks.

I wonder if we should merge the resources.xml file into the
gallery main 
page, though - giving an overview on all the topics first in

gallery/index.xml, then having all the details from
resources.xml right in 
there. This would remove another page that's not easy to
find, esp. with 
the title it currently has.

Patches gladly welcome, as usual. 


  - Hubert

Hubert Feyrer:

> I wonder if we should merge the resources.xml file into
the gallery
> main page, though - giving an overview on all the
topics first in
> gallery/index.xml, then having all the details from
resources.xml right
> in there. This would remove another page that's not
easy to find, esp.
> with the title it currently has.

If nobody objects i will make the patch.

But i think that the page title "NetBSD Gallery"
is confusing and 
misleading. "Gallery" for me suggests only images
or pictures  (photos of 
developers, hardware or events, screenshots, posters etc.) 
- but no the 
whole universe of NetBSD-related resources. So what do you
think about 
changing to a more suitable title?  

Something like "All about NetBSD", "The
NetBSD Universe", "The World of 
NetBSD", "NetBSD Pathfinder", "NetBSD -
all the resources" or whatever


best regards, Mark

-- 
Mark Weinem
Jabber: weinemjabber.cz
PGP-Key available

On Tue, 8 May 2007, Mark Weinem wrote:
> But i think that the page title "NetBSD
Gallery" is confusing and
> misleading. "Gallery" for me suggests only
images or pictures  (photos of
> developers, hardware or events, screenshots, posters
etc.)  - but no the
> whole universe of NetBSD-related resources. So what do
you think about
> changing to a more suitable title?
>
> Something like "All about NetBSD", "The
NetBSD Universe", "The World of
> NetBSD", "NetBSD Pathfinder",
"NetBSD - all the resources" or whatever

My association for "gallery" is like in
"exhibition", showing various 
aspects of NetBSD. Not only pictures/screenshots, but also
user groups, 
articles, etc. as we currently have.

Maybe something like "NetBSD Resources" or
"NetBSD Showreel"?


  - Hubert

On Tue, 8 May 2007 13:40:40 +0200 (CEST)
Hubert Feyrer <hubertfeyrer.de> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 May 2007, Mark Weinem wrote:
> > But i think that the page title "NetBSD
Gallery" is confusing and
> > misleading.

> My association for "gallery" is like in
"exhibition", showing various
> aspects of NetBSD.

Perhaps http://pp.kv.net.
pl/nbsd/index.html will inspire you a bit?

Present Gallery resembles thief's bag. Everything that can
be snatch
up are thrown into Gallery. Exhibitions are created with
visions, Mr
Feyrer. Galleries are divided according to subjects, history
periods,
etc. And WWWs are not exempt from the design process. I
suggest to blow
up the old gallery and build in the place something new,
with separate
pavilions, that is, pages.

It can be observed you, from NetBSD circles, don't pay much
attention
to others' ideas. You like to wade in a mire of old things
and thoughts.
No wonder you are bogged down in a morass of WWW old
layout.

The sorry state of your WWW comes from the fact that only
few are
spunky enough to name the state of the matter as it is. For
a few
years I heard here and there complaints about NetBSD WWW.
And not much
changed from that time.

Regards,
--
Przemysław Pawełczyk <pp_o2o2.pl>
P2O2's WWW: http://pp.kv.net.pl (The
LearNBSD Project)
P2O2's WWW Forum: http://www.p2o2.fora.pl/

On Tue, 8 May 2007, Przemysław Pawełczyk wrote:
> Present Gallery resembles thief's bag. Everything that
can be snatch
> up are thrown into Gallery. Exhibitions are created
with visions, Mr
> Feyrer. Galleries are divided according to subjects,
history periods,
> etc. And WWWs are not exempt from the design process. I
suggest to blow
> up the old gallery and build in the place something
new, with separate
> pavilions, that is, pages.
>
> It can be observed you, from NetBSD circles, don't pay
much attention
> to others' ideas. You like to wade in a mire of old
things and thoughts.
> No wonder you are bogged down in a morass of WWW old
layout.
>
> The sorry state of your WWW comes from the fact that
only few are
> spunky enough to name the state of the matter as it is.
For a few
> years I heard here and there complaints about NetBSD
WWW. And not much
> changed from that time.

You're welcome to join in in a constructive way.
If you have patches, let me know.


  - Hubert

On Tue, 8 May 2007 14:54:34 +0200 (CEST)
Hubert Feyrer <hubertfeyrer.de> wrote:

> You're welcome to join in in a constructive way.
> If you have patches, let me know.

I didn't write it to be nasty, I was rather sad.
One way to improve WWW is to change the WWW in small
fastidious steps
which will change a little and lose overall picture.

The other mode is to make bigger changes starting with a
core design. I
don't want to play with trifle changes. It would use my
whole time
available to NetBSD.

It is not my next war with you but another attempt to
convince
you for changes. Why not start to change WWW with Gallery
part? Mark
Weinem is doing marvellous job but within the old framework.
So he
faces from time to time walls and asks how to dodge them.
With your
consent. He stops where he shouldn't.

You have all HTML pages in XML form. Look at them as Lego
bricks. Use
them to attach according to new WWW framework. You'll get
new
functional design. What's more, if you once make a script
which would
do it for you, you'll get mighty tool for future page
shuffling.

I resort to other technique. I did create NetBSD WWW
Wrapper. Your HTML
pages are modules I can move here and there making only
small
adjustments in templates. Then I run Rexx scripts and got
what I wanted.

Kind regards,
--
Przemysław Pawełczyk <pp_o2o2.pl>
P2O2's WWW: http://pp.kv.net.pl (The
LearNBSD Project)
P2O2's WWW Forum: http://www.p2o2.fora.pl/

On Tue, 8 May 2007, Przemysław Pawełczyk wrote:
> I didn't write it to be nasty, I was rather sad.

OK


> One way to improve WWW is to change the WWW in small
fastidious steps
> which will change a little and lose overall picture.
>
> The other mode is to make bigger changes starting with
a core design. I
> don't want to play with trifle changes. It would use my
whole time
> available to NetBSD.
>
> It is not my next war with you but another attempt to
convince
> you for changes. Why not start to change WWW with
Gallery part? Mark
> Weinem is doing marvellous job but within the old
framework. So he
> faces from time to time walls and asks how to dodge
them. With your
> consent. He stops where he shouldn't.
>
> You have all HTML pages in XML form. Look at them as
Lego bricks. Use
> them to attach according to new WWW framework. You'll
get new
> functional design. What's more, if you once make a
script which would
> do it for you, you'll get mighty tool for future page
shuffling.
>
> I resort to other technique. I did create NetBSD WWW
Wrapper. Your HTML
> pages are modules I can move here and there making only
small
> adjustments in templates. Then I run Rexx scripts and
got what I wanted.

I agree that a revolutionary approach may be better than an
evolutionary 
approach. But it's also a lot more work, which seems to be
the problem.

As for Mark running into walls, I guess that can be made
easier in the 
medium timeframe at least, if there are too many patches for
me to commit. 



  - Hubert