howto point sysinst to sets?

Hi!

i could need some help on the following issues:

I want to install  netbsd on an Apple Network Server
500/132. After  
spending many hours i managed to boot from external cd on
scsi bus,  
with a cd burned from the macppc iso image of netbsd 1.6.2.

The cd is toasted as ISO 9660,  macintosh names allowed.
Any other cd´s , such as multisession cds´s from iso images 
or  
multiboot cd´s failed to boot.

Now i am in sysinst, the harddisc has their partitions
(default) and  
sysinst wants me to tell it where the .tgz sets are located.
Here is my problem:

choosing :
device cd0 (default), directory /macppc/binary/sets(deault)
tells me that there are no mandatory installation sets.

But i know they are...

So questions are:
1. Is it only the wrong device name? How can i figure out
how it is  
named?
2. May there exist a problem using a ISO 9660 CD?

Another idea:
Once i´ve booted into sysinst, i could remove the device and
plug a  
harddisk. How must the harddisk set up to get a mountable
device for  
sysinst?

Net is known not to work properly on ANS 500 for
installation.

Help please!

Thanks ,

Peter


here the open firmware environment:

0 > printenv
security-#badlogins 0
security-password
security-mode none

little-endian? false false
real-mode? false true
auto-boot? false true
diag-switch? false false
fcode-debug? false false
oem-banner? false false
oem-logo? false false
use-nvramrc? false false
f-segment? true true
real-base F00000 -1
real-size 100000 100000
virt-base -1 -1
virt-size 100000 100000
load-base 600000 4000
pci-probe-list -1 -1
screen-#columns 64 64
screen-#rows 28 28
selftest-#megs 0 0
boot-device scsi/sd1:1,ofwboot.xcf disk2:aix
boot-file install.macppc
diag-device cd fd:diags cd fd:diags
diag-file
input-device ttya kbd
output-device ttya screen
oem-banner
oem-logo
nvramrc
boot-command boot boot
ok


boot message is:


0 > boot
scsi/sd1:,ofwboot.xcf loading XCOFF
tsize=CC50 dsize=14AC bsize=2668 entry=640000
SECTIONS:
.text 00640000 00640000 0000CC50 000000E0
.data 0064D000 0064D000 000014AC 0000CD30
.bss 0064E4B0 0064E4B0 00002668 00000000
loading .text, done..
loading .data, done..
clearing .bss, done..

 >> NetBSD/macppc OpenFirmware Boot, Revision 1.7
 >> (autobuildtgm.netbsd.org, Tue Feb 10 23:44:14 UTC
2004)
/netbsd: Inappropriate file type or format
/netbsd.gz: Inappropriate file type or format
5972672+219216=0x5e7d24
start=0x800000
[ netbsd ELF symbol table not valid ]
[ no symbol table formats found ]
Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights
reserved.

NetBSD 1.6.2 (GENERIC_MD) #0: Wed Feb 11 00:00:58 UTC 2004
autobuildtgm.netbsd.org:/autobuild/netbsd-1-6-PATCH002/macppc/
OBJ/ 
autobuild
/netbsd-1-6-PATCH002/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC_MD
total memory = 144 MB
avail memory = 122 MB
using 1868 buffers containing 7472 KB of memory
mainbus0 (root)
cpu0 at mainbus0: 604 (Revision 3.3), ID 0 (primary)
cpu0: HID0 8000c084<EMCP,ICE,DCE,SGE,BHT>
bandit0 at mainbus0
pci0 at bandit0 bus 0
pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled
pchb0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0
pchb0: Apple Computer Bandit Host-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x03)
ofb0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5430
ofb0: 640 x 480, 8bpp
wsdisplay0 at ofb0 kbdmux 1
wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0
obio0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: addr 0xf3000000
esp0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: NCR53C94, 25MHz, SCSI
ID 7
scsibus0 at esp0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
mc0 at obio0 offset 0x11000: irq 14,2,3: address
00:a0:40:24:d4:9a
zsc0 at obio0 offset 0x13000: irq 15,16
zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0 (console)
zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1
awacs at obio0 offset 0x14000 not configured
swim3 at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured
adb0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18: 1 targets
aed0 at adb0 addr 0: ADB Event device
akbd0 at adb0 addr 2: standard keyboard
wskbd0 at akbd0 mux 1
wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x1d000
lcd at obio0 offset 0x1c000 not configured
siop0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0: Symbios Logic 53c825a (fast
wide scsi)
siop0: using on-board RAM
siop0: interrupting at irq 22
scsibus1 at siop0: 16 targets, 8 luns per target
siop1 at pci0 dev 18 function 0: Symbios Logic 53c825a (fast
wide scsi)
siop1: using on-board RAM
siop1: interrupting at irq 26
scsibus2 at siop1: 16 targets, 8 luns per target
bandit1 at mainbus0
pci1 at bandit1 bus 1
pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled
pchb1 at pci1 dev 11 function 0
pchb1: Apple Computer Bandit Host-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x03)
scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase 1)
esp0: SCSI bus reset
esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase 1)
esp0: SCSI bus reset
esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase 1)
esp0: SCSI bus reset
esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase 1)
esp0: SCSI bus reset
esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase 1)
esp0: SCSI bus reset
scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
st0 at scsibus1 target 0 lun 0: <HP, C1533A, 9503>
SCSI2 1/sequential  
removable
st0: density code 19, variable blocks, write-enabled
st0: sync (100.0ns offset  8), 8-bit (10.000MB/s) transfers
sd0 at scsibus1 target 1 lun 0: <Quantum, XP32150,
576D> SCSI2 0/ 
direct fixed
sd0: 2050 MB, 3907 cyl, 10 head, 107 sec, 512 bytes/sect x
4199760  
sectors
sd0: sync (100.0ns offset 8), 8-bit (10.000MB/s) transfers,
tagged  
queueing
sd1 at scsibus1 target 2 lun 0: <SEAGATE, ST32550W_APL,
9503> SCSI2 0/ 
direct fix
ed
sd1: 2047 MB, 3511 cyl, 11 head, 108 sec, 512 bytes/sect x
4194058  
sectors
sd1: sync (100.0ns offset 8), 16-bit (20.000MB/s) transfers,
tagged  
queueingscsibus2: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
md0: internal 2048 KB image area
boot device: <unknown>
root on md0a dumps on md0b
root file system type: ffs
erase ^H, werase ^W, kill ^U, intr ^C, status ^T
Terminal type? [vt100] i
tset: terminal type i is unknown
Terminal type?
Terminal type? vt100
Erase is backspace.
(I)nstall, (S)hell or (H)alt ? I

Also sprach Peter Salomon (peter.s.salomongooglemail.com)
 
> So questions are:
> 1. Is it only the wrong device name? How can i figure
out how it is  
> named?

Can you mount the CD manually at the shell (exit sysinst,
mount cd,
start sysinst) and use the mounted dir in sysinst to install
the sets?

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Peter Salomon
wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> i could need some help on the following issues:
> 
> I want to install  netbsd on an Apple Network Server
500/132. After  
> spending many hours i managed to boot from external cd
on scsi bus,  
> with a cd burned from the macppc iso image of netbsd
1.6.2.

The 1.6.2 sysinst won't correctly install current.
However since 'almost all' it does is format/partition/newfs
the
disk and then extract the tar archives maybe you can do it
by hand.

No idea why nothing newer won't boot though.


	David

-- 
David Laight: davidl8s.co.uk

On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Peter Salomon
wrote:
~~
> I want to install  netbsd on an Apple Network Server
500/132. After  
> spending many hours i managed to boot from external cd
on scsi bus,  
> with a cd burned from the macppc iso image of netbsd
1.6.2.
~~
> Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002,
2003
> The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
> Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
> The Regents of the University of California. All rights
reserved.
> 
> NetBSD 1.6.2 (GENERIC_MD) #0: Wed Feb 11 00:00:58 UTC
2004
> autobuildtgm.netbsd.org:/autobuild/netbsd-1-6-PATCH002/macppc/
OBJ/ 
> autobuild
>
/netbsd-1-6-PATCH002/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC_MD
> total memory = 144 MB
> avail memory = 122 MB
> using 1868 buffers containing 7472 KB of memory
> mainbus0 (root)
> cpu0 at mainbus0: 604 (Revision 3.3), ID 0 (primary)
> cpu0: HID0 8000c084<EMCP,ICE,DCE,SGE,BHT>
> bandit0 at mainbus0
> pci0 at bandit0 bus 0
> pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled
> pchb0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0
> pchb0: Apple Computer Bandit Host-PCI Bridge (rev.
0x03)
> ofb0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5430
> ofb0: 640 x 480, 8bpp
> wsdisplay0 at ofb0 kbdmux 1
> wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0
> obio0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: addr 0xf3000000
> esp0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: NCR53C94, 25MHz,
SCSI ID 7
> scsibus0 at esp0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
> mc0 at obio0 offset 0x11000: irq 14,2,3: address
00:a0:40:24:d4:9a
> zsc0 at obio0 offset 0x13000: irq 15,16
> zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0 (console)
> zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1
> awacs at obio0 offset 0x14000 not configured
> swim3 at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured
> adb0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18: 1 targets
> aed0 at adb0 addr 0: ADB Event device
> akbd0 at adb0 addr 2: standard keyboard
> wskbd0 at akbd0 mux 1
> wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
> nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x1d000
> lcd at obio0 offset 0x1c000 not configured
> siop0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0: Symbios Logic 53c825a
(fast wide scsi)
> siop0: using on-board RAM
> siop0: interrupting at irq 22
> scsibus1 at siop0: 16 targets, 8 luns per target
> siop1 at pci0 dev 18 function 0: Symbios Logic 53c825a
(fast wide scsi)
> siop1: using on-board RAM
> siop1: interrupting at irq 26
> scsibus2 at siop1: 16 targets, 8 luns per target
> bandit1 at mainbus0
> pci1 at bandit1 bus 1
> pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled
> pchb1 at pci1 dev 11 function 0
> pchb1: Apple Computer Bandit Host-PCI Bridge (rev.
0x03)
> scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
> esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase
1)
> esp0: SCSI bus reset
> esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase
1)
> esp0: SCSI bus reset
> esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase
1)
> esp0: SCSI bus reset
> esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase
1)
> esp0: SCSI bus reset
> esp0: illegal command: 0x0 (state 2, phase 3, prevphase
1)
> esp0: SCSI bus reset

^^^
this is bad.  that's the external slow/narrow SCSI
controller.

> scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
> st0 at scsibus1 target 0 lun 0: <HP, C1533A,
9503> SCSI2 1/sequential  
> removable
> st0: density code 19, variable blocks, write-enabled
> st0: sync (100.0ns offset  8), 8-bit (10.000MB/s)
transfers
> sd0 at scsibus1 target 1 lun 0: <Quantum, XP32150,
576D> SCSI2 0/ 
> direct fixed
> sd0: 2050 MB, 3907 cyl, 10 head, 107 sec, 512
bytes/sect x 4199760  
> sectors
> sd0: sync (100.0ns offset 8), 8-bit (10.000MB/s)
transfers, tagged  
> queueing
> sd1 at scsibus1 target 2 lun 0: <SEAGATE,
ST32550W_APL, 9503> SCSI2 0/ 
> direct fix
> ed
> sd1: 2047 MB, 3511 cyl, 11 head, 108 sec, 512
bytes/sect x 4194058  
> sectors
> sd1: sync (100.0ns offset 8), 16-bit (20.000MB/s)
transfers, tagged  
> queueingscsibus2: waiting 2 seconds for devices to
settle...
> md0: internal 2048 KB image area
> boot device: <unknown>
> root on md0a dumps on md0b
> root file system type: ffs
> erase ^H, werase ^W, kill ^U, intr ^C, status ^T
> Terminal type? [vt100] i
> tset: terminal type i is unknown
> Terminal type?
> Terminal type? vt100
> Erase is backspace.
> (I)nstall, (S)hell or (H)alt ? I

Note that no cd(4) devices were detected, probably
due to the esp0 errors above.

I can think of two possible ways to work around this.

1) drop a PCI NIC in the thing and pull the sets from
a server.  (I've never gotten the mc0 in mine to ever
function)

2) get a CD-ROM drive on one of the internal fast/wide
SCSI buses.

	Jonathan Kollasch

P.S.  You could always just use it as a printer stand
or end table like I use my 700/150. :P

Jonathan,

you are right, the cd drive was not detected. And i could
not mount  
it. But putting a pci nic into the machine was the solution.
I was able to get the sets via ftp.

Now the next problem begins:
after sysinst told me the sets have been extracted
succesfully i am  
not able to boot from the fresh installed disk.

It finds and executes ofwboot.xcf but there seem to be some
trouble  
with the kernel:

0 > boot -v
disk2:0 -
OF_open bootpath=/bandit/53c82511/sd2,0
read stage 2 blocks: 01234567. done!
starting stage 2...

 >> NetBSD/macppc OpenFirmware Boot, Revision 1.7
 >> (autobuildtgm.netbsd.org, Tue Feb 10 23:44:14 UTC
2004)
/netbsd: Inappropriate file type or format
/netbsd.gz: Inappropriate file type or format
open /netbsd.macppc: Device not configured
Boot:


any idea?

and btw: wich is the most current devision of netbsd your
ANS accepts?


Peter - thinking about other use of the ans... 


Am 13.10.2006 um 23:03 schrieb Jonathan A. Kollasch:

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Peter Salomon
wrote:
> ~~
>> I want to install  netbsd on an Apple Network
Server 500/132. After
>> spending many hours i managed to boot from external
cd on scsi bus,
>> with a cd burned from the macppc iso image of
netbsd 1.6.2.
> ~~
>> Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001,
2002, 2003
>> The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
>> [....]
>> esp0: SCSI bus reset
>
> ^^^
> this is bad.  that's the external slow/narrow SCSI
controller.
>
>> scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to
settle...
>> [....]
>>
>> (I)nstall, (S)hell or (H)alt ? I
>
> Note that no cd(4) devices were detected, probably
> due to the esp0 errors above.
>
> I can think of two possible ways to work around this.
>
> 1) drop a PCI NIC in the thing and pull the sets from
> a server.  (I've never gotten the mc0 in mine to ever
function)
>
> 2) get a CD-ROM drive on one of the internal fast/wide
> SCSI buses.
>
> 	Jonathan Kollasch
>
> P.S.  You could always just use it as a printer stand
> or end table like I use my 700/150. :P