3.0.1 SE/30 & IIci init problem

I was using NetBSD 1.6 on an SE/30, IIci, and Quadra 650.
That was  
several years ago and much has happened since then. I
thought I  
should bring my machines up to date and get back involved in
the  
community but I am unable to get NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1 running
because  
it fails on bootup with the /sbin/init error 8 problem. I
found some  
references to this problem on the mailing list earlier this
year but  
I didn't see a solution other than go back to 1.6 or 2.x.
Any ideas?

Several years back I was working on creating a NetBSD/mac68k
cluster  
to build packages with and in that process I acquired 7 Mac
IIci  
computers and 2 Quadra 650 computers. I was hoping to start
getting  
these up and running using NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1 but I have
not been  
successful. Any suggestions? Thank you for your time.

Bryan

On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 06:08:16PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister
wrote:
> I was using NetBSD 1.6 on an SE/30, IIci, and Quadra
650. That was  
> several years ago and much has happened since then. I
thought I  
> should bring my machines up to date and get back
involved in the  
> community but I am unable to get NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1
running because  
> it fails on bootup with the /sbin/init error 8 problem.
I found some  
> references to this problem on the mailing list earlier
this year but  
> I didn't see a solution other than go back to 1.6 or
2.x. Any ideas?

Did you install a complete NetBSD 3.0 distribution, or did
you just try
to boot a NetBSD 3.0 kernel on your existing 1.6 system?
Also, which
kernel are you using? (GENERIC, GENERICSBC, a customer
kernel, etc...?)

Also, have you tried one of the INSTALL kernels? I don't
think they actually work for installing, but I think
they should at least boot all the way and start sysinst.
ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-3.0/mac68k/netbsd-INS
TALL.gz
or netbsd-INSTALLSBC.gz depending on which SCSI driver you
need.
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On Sep 5, 2006, at 7:48 PM, khymazeotrope.org wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 06:08:16PM -0700, Bryan
Vyhmeister wrote:
>> I was using NetBSD 1.6 on an SE/30, IIci, and
Quadra 650. That was
>> several years ago and much has happened since then.
I thought I
>> should bring my machines up to date and get back
involved in the
>> community but I am unable to get NetBSD/mac68k
3.0.1 running because
>> it fails on bootup with the /sbin/init error 8
problem. I found some
>> references to this problem on the mailing list
earlier this year but
>> I didn't see a solution other than go back to 1.6
or 2.x. Any ideas?
>
> Did you install a complete NetBSD 3.0 distribution, or
did you just  
> try
> to boot a NetBSD 3.0 kernel on your existing 1.6
system? Also, which
> kernel are you using? (GENERIC, GENERICSBC, a customer
kernel,  
> etc...?)

I installed the complete NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1 distribution
using the  
traditional method with Mkfs, the installer, and so forth. I
used the  
GENERICSBC kernel.

> Also, have you tried one of the INSTALL kernels? I
don't
> think they actually work for installing, but I think
> they should at least boot all the way and start
sysinst.
>
ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-3.0/mac68k/netbsd-INS
TALL.gz
> or netbsd-INSTALLSBC.gz depending on which SCSI driver
you need.

I attempted the INSTALLSBC kernel on the Color Classic, but
that was  
the only machine. I read somewhere that sysinst cannot
install to the  
correct partition or something. Maybe that is no longer the
case. I  
can't remember where I read it at who knows when last night
(this  
morning).

Bryan

On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 08:25:30PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister
wrote:
> I installed the complete NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1
distribution using the  
> traditional method with Mkfs, the installer, and so
forth. I used the  
> GENERICSBC kernel.

Hmm, can you copy/paste the results of an ls /libexec and ls
/lib from
the installer mini-shell?

> I attempted the INSTALLSBC kernel on the Color Classic,
but that was  
> the only machine. I read somewhere that sysinst cannot
install to the  
> correct partition or something. Maybe that is no longer
the case. I  
> can't remember where I read it at who knows when last
night (this  
> morning).

Yeah, I remember hearing about sysinst problems too... I was
just
wondering if the INSTALLSBC kernel started sysinst, or if it
gave the
same error 8 about init?
-- 
Name: Dave Huang         |  Mammal, mammal / their names are
called /
INet: khymazeotrope.org |  they raise a paw / the bat, the cat
/
FurryMUCK: Dahan         |  dolphin and dog / koala bear and
hog -- TMBG
Dahan: Hani G Y+C 30 Y++ L+++ W- C++ T++ A+ E+ S++ V++ F-
Q+++ P+ B+ PA+ PL++

On Sep 6, 2006, at 6:03 PM, khymazeotrope.org wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 08:25:30PM -0700, Bryan
Vyhmeister wrote:
>> I installed the complete NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1
distribution using the
>> traditional method with Mkfs, the installer, and so
forth. I used the
>> GENERICSBC kernel.
>
> Hmm, can you copy/paste the results of an ls /libexec
and ls /lib from
> the installer mini-shell?

I am reinstalling 3.0.1 on the IIci right now. It should be
done by  
morning and I'll take a look and get that info to you. I am
 
attempting to install the 20060902 snapshot of netbsd-4 on
the SE/30  
right now to see if it has the same issues.

>> I attempted the INSTALLSBC kernel on the Color
Classic, but that was
>> the only machine. I read somewhere that sysinst
cannot install to the
>> correct partition or something. Maybe that is no
longer the case. I
>> can't remember where I read it at who knows when
last night (this
>> morning).
>
> Yeah, I remember hearing about sysinst problems too...
I was just
> wondering if the INSTALLSBC kernel started sysinst, or
if it gave the
> same error 8 about init?

INSTALLSBC and INSTALL (I think I tried both) boot just fine
with no  
init issues. However, sysinst cannot install sets from ftp
or CD-ROM.  
The tar command fails on errors about no space left on
device. I  
tried installing sets from ftp on both the SE/30 and IIci
and then I  
tried installing from the CD-ROM on the SE/30 with
essentially  
identical results.

Bryan

On Sep 6,  9:30pm, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:
>INSTALLSBC and INSTALL (I think I tried both) boot just
fine with no  
>init issues. However, sysinst cannot install sets from
ftp or CD-ROM.  
>The tar command fails on errors about no space left on
device. I  

Ah, that's because the filesystem to be installed to is not
mounted.
ISTR that's the problem with the installer.  After the
filesystems
have been created, you can escape to shell, manually mount
the filesystems,
then return to the installer, and should be able to get a
good install
from there.

~Steve

On Sep 6, 2006, at 10:05 PM, Space Case wrote:

> On Sep 6,  9:30pm, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:
>> INSTALLSBC and INSTALL (I think I tried both) boot
just fine with no
>> init issues. However, sysinst cannot install sets
from ftp or CD-ROM.
>> The tar command fails on errors about no space left
on device. I
>
> Ah, that's because the filesystem to be installed to
is not mounted.
> ISTR that's the problem with the installer.  After the
filesystems
> have been created, you can escape to shell, manually
mount the  
> filesystems,
> then return to the installer, and should be able to get
a good install
> from there.

OK. I'll attempt to use sysinst if the current run fails.
Maybe that  
will work.

Bryan

On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:30 PM, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:

> On Sep 6, 2006, at 6:03 PM, khymazeotrope.org wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 08:25:30PM -0700, Bryan
Vyhmeister wrote:
>>> I installed the complete NetBSD/mac68k 3.0.1
distribution using the
>>> traditional method with Mkfs, the installer,
and so forth. I used  
>>> the
>>> GENERICSBC kernel.
>>
>> Hmm, can you copy/paste the results of an ls
/libexec and ls /lib  
>> from
>> the installer mini-shell?

The SE/30 install with the 20060902 snapshot resulted in the
 
identical init error. Do you want the results of ls /libexec
and ls / 
lib from the 20060902 install or should I attempt a
reinstall of 3.0.1?

> I am reinstalling 3.0.1 on the IIci right now. It
should be done by  
> morning and I'll take a look and get that info to you.
I am  
> attempting to install the 20060902 snapshot of netbsd-4
on the SE/ 
> 30 right now to see if it has the same issues.

The 3.0.1 install on the IIci was going fine installing the
man.tgz  
set at which point I stopped it. I tried making devices then
but I  
had to restart the installer for that to work. I then
rebooted to  
find that my hard drive no longer boots at all and does not
show up  
in the Finder. I'll have to repartition it if I can in the
morning. I  
have had major drive problems lately. I had a 1 GB HP hard
drive die  
(?) on me during initialization with HD SC Setup. I am also
having  
trouble with a 4 GB Quantum SCA drive with SCA to SE adapter
in my  
Quadra 650. I have a number of the 4 GB drives so I guess
I'll try  
another one. I am wondering if using an SCA adapter would
cause  
problems.

Bryan

At 21:30 Uhr -0700 6.9.2006, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:
>INSTALLSBC and INSTALL (I think I tried both) boot just
fine with no
>init issues. However, sysinst cannot install sets from
ftp or CD-ROM.
>The tar command fails on errors about no space left on
device.

Recent install documentation describes a workaround.

HTH,
	hauke

--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

Bryan Vyhmeister wrote:
> OK. I'll attempt to use sysinst if the current run
fails. Maybe that 
> will work.

I thought I recalled reading here that sysinst hasn't
worked since 1.6.2 
or maybe 2.0.  Anybody else remember that?

I've also heard of various failures with 2.x and 3.x...SCSI
problems, or 
errors after long uptimes with heavy activity.  (I think
that latter one 
was John Klos.)  Am I completely misremembering?  I've
never seen a 
complete list of recent m68k issues assembled in one place.

Tim

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