serial console beige G3 installation

 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org 
> [mailto:port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org] On Behalf Of
Mityok
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:56 PM

> Subject: Re: serial console beige G3 installation
> 
> Hi, Miguel.
> I did install NetBSD 2.0.2 (sorry, not 3.0) on my beige
G3 
> and i use it as a file server with Samba 3. I even put
the 
> Promise ATA/66 card inside and it works fine (the
original 
> plan was to install the RAID 0 with vinum but there was
no 
> time so far).
> I did not use the netboot - I used the CD-ROM booting.

Hi,
How were you able to boot beige g3, an oldworld mac off CD?

Probably by remaking the ISO as non-hybrid or using the
unofficial  
2.x ISO I made that will boot on old world machines.

On May 4, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Wojciech Gałązka wrote:

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org
>> [mailto:port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org] On Behalf Of
Mityok
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:56 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: serial console beige G3 installation
>>
>> Hi, Miguel.
>> I did install NetBSD 2.0.2 (sorry, not 3.0) on my
beige G3
>> and i use it as a file server with Samba 3. I even
put the
>> Promise ATA/66 card inside and it works fine (the
original
>> plan was to install the RAID 0 with vinum but there
was no
>> time so far).
>> I did not use the netboot - I used the CD-ROM
booting.
>
> Hi,
> How were you able to boot beige g3, an oldworld mac off
CD?
>
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>
>
>

Wojciech Ga³±zka wrote:
>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org 
>> [mailto:port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org] On Behalf Of
Mityok
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:56 PM
> 
>> Subject: Re: serial console beige G3 installation
>>
>> Hi, Miguel.
>> I did install NetBSD 2.0.2 (sorry, not 3.0) on my
beige G3 
>> and i use it as a file server with Samba 3. I even
put the 
>> Promise ATA/66 card inside and it works fine (the
original 
>> plan was to install the RAID 0 with vinum but there
was no 
>> time so far).
>> I did not use the netboot - I used the CD-ROM
booting.
> 
> Hi,
> How were you able to boot beige g3, an oldworld mac off
CD?
> 

I have found that the easiest way to do this on oldworld
macs is by 
burning an ISO-9660 CD-R with the install kernel and the
ofwboot.xcf 
file, and then issue a command like boot scsi-int/sd3:,\OFWBOOT.XCF 
NETBSD.GZ.

It also works with add-on ATA Cards. Boot string will be
slighly 
different though.

Francis

Agree.

The booting string i have is scsi-int/sd3:,\OFWBOOT.XCF;1
for example but it depends on settings for burning.

Dmitry

> Wojciech Ga³±zka wrote:
>>  
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org 
>>> [mailto:port-macppc-ownerNetBSD.org] On Behalf Of
Mityok
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:56 PM
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: serial console beige G3
installation
>>>
>>> Hi, Miguel.
>>> I did install NetBSD 2.0.2 (sorry, not 3.0) on
my beige G3 
>>> and i use it as a file server with Samba 3. I
even put the 
>>> Promise ATA/66 card inside and it works fine
(the original 
>>> plan was to install the RAID 0 with vinum but
there was no 
>>> time so far).
>>> I did not use the netboot - I used the CD-ROM
booting.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> How were you able to boot beige g3, an oldworld mac
off CD?
>> 

> I have found that the easiest way to do this on
oldworld macs is by 
> burning an ISO-9660 CD-R with the install kernel and
the ofwboot.xcf
> file, and then issue a command like boot
scsi-int/sd3:,\OFWBOOT.XCF
> NETBSD.GZ.

> It also works with add-on ATA Cards. Boot string will
be slighly 
> different though.

> Francis



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On Thu, 4 May 2006 10:30:40 +0200
Wojciech Gałązka <wojciech.galazkapolkomtel.com.pl> wrote:

Hello,

Sorry for coming back to this thread a bit late. My G3
arrived last
Friday. I decided to look for an ADB keyboard + mouse and
was lucky
enough to find one for EUR1  I also
bought a DB15->HD15 adaptor.

The machine came with MacOS 9.1 in German. I've installed
the System
Tool and configured the OFW variables. The box has 1 9GB
SCSI HD and 1
ATAPI CD-ROM. The OFW version is 2.4

Attempting to boot ofwboot.xcf from CD has been impossible,
so I've
resorted to netbooting the machine from my Ultra60 which,
coincidentally, is also running NetBSD.

The ofwboot correctly grabs the kernel from the NFS server
but there's
something about the installation that isn't clear yet. The
installation
docs mention that using disklabel and installing NetBSD
doesn't leave
you with a bootable system, and that you need to play around
with
pdisk. MacOS 9.1 is gone so all I have now is an unbootable
NetBSD 3.0
install.

pdisk shows two partitions: A very small Apple partition map
and the
rest that is taken by NetBSD. The big question is, how does
one load
ofwboot.xcf and netbsd? The partitioning page shows the guy
creating
several A/UX partitions where he stores his kernel and an
HFS partition
where ofwboot.xcf is stored. So what the exact procedure
would be?
Creating those partitions with pdisk and then launching
sysinst to
perform a normal install? The whole pdisk thing seems a bit
confusing.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Miguel Mendez	<mmendezenergyhq.be> 
http://www.energyhq.be
PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1

On May 28, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Miguel Mendez wrote:

> The machine came with MacOS 9.1 in German. I've
installed the System
> Tool and configured the OFW variables. The box has 1
9GB SCSI HD and 1
> ATAPI CD-ROM. The OFW version is 2.4

This means you have a revision 2 Beige G3.

> Attempting to boot ofwboot.xcf from CD has been
impossible, so I've
> resorted to netbooting the machine from my Ultra60
which,
> coincidentally, is also running NetBSD.

It works fine for me, but you will need to make your own
pure ISO  
(not an ISO/HFS hybrid) Instructions here:

http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-macppc/2005/11/18
/0001.html

> The ofwboot correctly grabs the kernel from the NFS
server but there's
> something about the installation that isn't clear yet.
The  
> installation
> docs mention that using disklabel and installing NetBSD
doesn't leave
> you with a bootable system, and that you need to play
around with
> pdisk. MacOS 9.1 is gone so all I have now is an
unbootable NetBSD 3.0
> install.

That's only true for New World machines (systems with
OpenFirmware 3  
and later). On old world machines sysinst should do
everything needed  
to get you a bootable system.

On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:24:49 -0400
Chris Tribo <ctribodtcc.edu> wrote:

Hi Chris,

> This means you have a revision 2 Beige G3.

Apparently Apple didn't get OFW right until 3.0, but 2.4
seems to be
better that 2.0 anway 
 
 
> That's only true for New World machines (systems with
OpenFirmware 3  
> and later). On old world machines sysinst should do
everything needed  
> to get you a bootable system.

That's right of course. Maybe I had been awake for too long
when I did
the first installation attempt. However, the way I did it
was to set
boot-device to enet: and boot-file to netbsd, so the box
grabbed
ofwboot.xcf via bootp/tftp. The internal hard drive is
detected as sd0,
bus 0, target 0, lun 0, so it's safe to assume is a SCSI
drive.
However after the installation I haven't found a way to
have the
machine boot by itself. Setting the boot-device to
scsi/sd0:0 gave me an
error message saying it couldn't be openned. I've tried
other
combinations without success, and 0 bootr doesn't seem to
help either.
Any ideas?

-- 
Miguel Mendez	<mmendezenergyhq.be> 
http://www.energyhq.be
PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1

Miguel Mendez wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:24:49 -0400
> Chris Tribo <ctribodtcc.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
>> This means you have a revision 2 Beige G3.
> 
> Apparently Apple didn't get OFW right until 3.0, but
2.4 seems to be
> better that 2.0 anway 

If you don't mind the fact that you can't boot a floppy in
OFW.

>> That's only true for New World machines (systems
with OpenFirmware 3  
>> and later). On old world machines sysinst should do
everything needed  
>> to get you a bootable system.
> 
> That's right of course. Maybe I had been awake for too
long when I did
> the first installation attempt. However, the way I did
it was to set
> boot-device to enet: and boot-file to netbsd, so the
box grabbed
> ofwboot.xcf via bootp/tftp. The internal hard drive is
detected as sd0,
> bus 0, target 0, lun 0, so it's safe to assume is a
SCSI drive.
> However after the installation I haven't found a way
to have the
> machine boot by itself. Setting the boot-device to
scsi/sd0:0 gave me an
> error message saying it couldn't be openned. I've
tried other
> combinations without success, and 0 bootr doesn't seem
to help either.
> Any ideas?
> 

Is the disk set not to spin at power on? It could also be
that you don't 
have the system disk/startup disk nvram patches. I haven't
messed with 
booting SCSI for many years since the bus was slower and
more unreliable 
than the not-quite-so-slow heathrow IDE controller. But I do
remember it 
working on OFW 2.0f1. If there was an apple partition map on
the disk 
you might need to write zeros to the first few k of the disk
to wipe 
that out so that OFW will use the partition zero raw read.