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Patrick McHardy wrote:
> netfilter-devel cross-subscription test, please ignore


The cross-subscription appears to work, unfortunately (due
to the
subscriber-only posting settings of the old list) senders to
the
new lists that are not subscribed to the old one will
receive a
"held for moderator approval" mail for each post.
Since this is
probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure whether
we
should really do the cross-subscription thing.

Any better ideas or suggestions?
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/Lurk mode off/
Replying off list because this might be
stupid/irrelevant/off topic.

Patrick McHardy wrote:
> Patrick McHardy wrote:
>> netfilter-devel cross-subscription test, please
ignore
> 
> 
> The cross-subscription appears to work, unfortunately
(due to the
> subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
> new lists that are not subscribed to the old one will
receive a
> "held for moderator approval" mail for each
post. Since this is
> probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
> should really do the cross-subscription thing.
> 
> Any better ideas or suggestions?

You could bounce messages sent to netfilter-devellists.netfilter.org
If the bounce message contained a
"mailing list has moved to netfilter-devellists.netfilter.org" message,
then assuming that people bother to read their bounces or
don't routinely
discard them, then they would eventually get to send the
message to the
right list.

Postfix has a relocated table for these "user has moved
 to new_location"
messages. But you are using exim. I am not familiar with
exim but perhaps
it has something similar?

/Lurk mode on/
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Robbie Dinn wrote:
> /Lurk mode off/
> Replying off list because this might be
stupid/irrelevant/off topic.


It was on-list but I prefer to keep the discussion open
anyways 

> Patrick McHardy wrote:
> 
>>The cross-subscription appears to work,
unfortunately (due to the
>>subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
>>new lists that are not subscribed to the old one
will receive a
>>"held for moderator approval" mail for
each post. Since this is
>>probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
>>should really do the cross-subscription thing.
>>
>>Any better ideas or suggestions?
> 
> 
> You could bounce messages sent to netfilter-devellists.netfilter.org
> If the bounce message contained a
> "mailing list has moved to netfilter-devellists.netfilter.org" message,
> then assuming that people bother to read their bounces
or don't routinely
> discard them, then they would eventually get to send
the message to the
> right list.
> 
> Postfix has a relocated table for these "user has
moved  to new_location"
> messages. But you are using exim. I am not familiar
with exim but perhaps
> it has something similar?


I don't know, but something like that should work. I think
its not
too much asked of people to resubscribe, so my suggestion is
to
simply disable the netfilter.org lists, generate a bounce
message
and have people resubscribe. The amount of dead
subscriptions seems
to be very high anyways, after only 10 hours of forwarding
bounce
messages to my address I got around 6000 emails.

If there are no (reasonable) objections I'll try to
reconfigure
mailman to do this tonight.

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* Patrick McHardy <kabertrash.net> 2007-09-17
13:47
> Patrick McHardy wrote:
> > netfilter-devel cross-subscription test, please
ignore
> 
> 
> The cross-subscription appears to work, unfortunately
(due to the
> subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
> new lists that are not subscribed to the old one will
receive a
> "held for moderator approval" mail for each
post. Since this is
> probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
> should really do the cross-subscription thing.

What about just disabling the subscriber-only setting on the
old
list for the time being?? It's going to disappear anyways,
no?
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Hello,

Patrick McHardy a écrit :
> 
> The cross-subscription appears to work, unfortunately
(due to the
> subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
> new lists that are not subscribed to the old one will
receive a
> "held for moderator approval" mail for each
post.

By the way, do the new netfilter lists at vger.kernel.org
require that 
the sender address be subscribed too ? (this post will
test)

> Since this is
> probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
> should really do the cross-subscription thing.
> 
> Any better ideas or suggestions?

What about removing the subscriber-only posting setting on
the old lists 
at lists.netfilter.org ?

PS : Messages posted to the new lists are received on the
old lists, but 
it seems to me that messages posted to the old lists are not
received on 
the new lists. Is this on purpose ?

PPS : Where are the archives on lists.netfilter.org ? It now
says 
"forbidden".
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Am Monday, den 17 September hub Patrick McHardy folgendes in
die Tasten:

> Patrick McHardy wrote:
> > netfilter-devel cross-subscription test, please
ignore

> The cross-subscription appears to work, unfortunately
(due to the
> subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
> new lists that are not subscribed to the old one will
receive a
> "held for moderator approval" mail for each
post. Since this is
> probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
> should really do the cross-subscription thing.

> Any better ideas or suggestions?

Did I get this right, that the old and the new list will be
run in
parallel for a while and this will probably make trouble?

# define Hackvalue 42
What about moving all subscriptions to the new list and
forward the
old address to the new one?

Ciao
Max
-- 
	Follow the white penguin.

From: Maximilian Wilhelm <maxrfc2324.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:06:49 +0200

> What about moving all subscriptions

We decided not to do this, and this is general
vger.kernel.org
list policy.

If we move the subscribers, this guarentees that half of
the
list will bounce into postmaster's (read as: my) mailbox.

And if people don't learn how to subscribe to the new list
location by doing it themselves, they'll generally not be
able
to unsubscribe from the new location which creates large
levels
of frustration for the users and postmaster (read as: me).

It is also generally rude to subscribe someone to a site
they
did not explicitly ask to be added to.

This is just reiterating what we discussed at the workshop,
it's a pain to keep stating this stuff over and over 

From: Patrick McHardy <kabertrash.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:47:34 +0200

> Any better ideas or suggestions?

Just don't forward, and every few days send an automatic
mail to the old list saying where the new list location is
and also give a pointer to a list archival site so that
they can catch up on any postings they might have missed.

If you want to get the ball rolling about this, toss an
email to webguytheaimsgroup.com asking them to adjust
the netfilter list archives they have to suck things in
from the new lists at vger.

Then you can use the marc.info URL as an archive location.

Or you can continue to archive at netfilter.org if you
like and point people there.

Either way will work.
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Thomas Graf wrote:
> * Patrick McHardy <kabertrash.net> 2007-09-17
13:47
> 
>>Patrick McHardy wrote:
>>
>>>netfilter-devel cross-subscription test, please
ignore
>>
>>
>>The cross-subscription appears to work,
unfortunately (due to the
>>subscriber-only posting settings of the old list)
senders to the
>>new lists that are not subscribed to the old one
will receive a
>>"held for moderator approval" mail for
each post. Since this is
>>probably quite annoying for everyone, I'm not sure
whether we
>>should really do the cross-subscription thing.
> 
> 
> What about just disabling the subscriber-only setting
on the old
> list for the time being?? It's going to disappear
anyways, no?


That might motivate people to use the new list  But I
think
all this effort is pretty useless, people should just
subscribe
to the new list.

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