Mail to All

I have one customer that wants to be able to send email to
all via a
single address and build groups in their email client.  He
wants to
mange access via web administration.

I thought about a redirect.  You can make a redirect and put
multiple
addresses in there seperated by commas, but there appears to
be a
character limit somewhere around 512 bytes.

A list if setup properly would work and we could setup
restrictions and
a block from outside use. 

But both require manually adding/removing addresses by the
administrator.

Bulletins would work, but they require a user to have admin
rights and
you have to log into domain admin to send one.  Not easy to
get 'users'
to do.

Any suggestions?

Lyle

Why can't he build an address list in his client?
He may not be able to do this using his web client, but if
he used 
Outlook Express or Thunderbird he could do it.

Lyle Giese wrote:
> I have one customer that wants to be able to send email
to all via a
> single address and build groups in their email client. 
He wants to
> mange access via web administration.
>
> I thought about a redirect.  You can make a redirect
and put multiple
> addresses in there seperated by commas, but there
appears to be a
> character limit somewhere around 512 bytes.
>
> A list if setup properly would work and we could setup
restrictions and
> a block from outside use. 
>
> But both require manually adding/removing addresses by
the administrator.
>
> Bulletins would work, but they require a user to have
admin rights and
> you have to log into domain admin to send one.  Not
easy to get 'users'
> to do.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Lyle
>
>
>
>   

And again and again for each user and every user?

Eric Vey wrote:
> Why can't he build an address list in his client?
> He may not be able to do this using his web client, but
if he used
> Outlook Express or Thunderbird he could do it.
>
> Lyle Giese wrote:
>> I have one customer that wants to be able to send
email to all via a
>> single address and build groups in their email
client.  He wants to
>> mange access via web administration.
>>
>> I thought about a redirect.  You can make a
redirect and put multiple
>> addresses in there seperated by commas, but there
appears to be a
>> character limit somewhere around 512 bytes.
>>
>> A list if setup properly would work and we could
setup restrictions and
>> a block from outside use.
>> But both require manually adding/removing addresses
by the
>> administrator.
>>
>> Bulletins would work, but they require a user to
have admin rights and
>> you have to log into domain admin to send one.  Not
easy to get 'users'
>> to do.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Lyle
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>

I don't understand the reluctance to use the built-in mail
list function for
that domain.  It's EASY to administer.  One click to add all
users who have
valid email addresses in the domain, can be restricted to
only allow members
to post, etc.

You can even add people from outside the domain manually to
the list.

We have 3 lists just for our staff, even sub groups within
the company. 
 

Glenn Meadows
Sheridan Square Entertainment 

 


________________________________

	From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info] 
	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:26 AM
	To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
	Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All
	
	
	webmaster1usa.com wrote: 

		We tell our users to use
http://
www.xequte.com/maillistking/index.html and then we're
not bothered
with support.
		It will do html emails to individuals - with
customization,
and accept x (i.e. 3) bounces before removing the person off
the list.
		I'd give/sell him a new email account for the list;
that's
it.
		If the customer is too cheap, refer them to Listbuilders
out
there, whose prices are getting higher.
		 
		BarryZ
		 

	I guess I was spoiled because the previous software we used
had an
all<yourdomain.com> feature that could be
restricted to accept email from
authenicated users only.  One step, no bother and no
maintenance either.
	
	It also had groups that would allow creating server based
things
like reps or inside_reps.  The redirect does have a limit on
the number of
characters up around 512 characters in the To side, so it's
not a direct
replacement esp for an all company users group.
	
	This is not for emailing customers, but internal domain use
and
ideally would allow a domain admin to manage the membership
from one point.
The mailling lists are more designed for membership outside
the domain and
allow auto management of dead accounts and self
adding/deleting. 
	
	With internal domain use, you don't want a user to drop
themselves
or let their mailbox get full and get bounced out of an all
company
distribution list.  The bosses would not be happy with that
either.
	
	Lyle
	

One point is that I am a reseller of the email service here.
I really
cann't afford to give all customers unlimited
lists.(bandwidth costs one
of the reasons). I have to have a reasonable limit on the
number of
lists for each domain. We are a small business, but we do
have over 70
domains hosted here for email.

I would probably end up having to setup the lists initially,
esp. if for
internal use. Most domain admins do not understand the
options in lists
and that increases costs for LCR to provide this as a
service.

I am going for ZERO maintenance here<GRIN>! A builtin
'ALL' that can be
limited to authenicated user use, eliminates maintenance and
gives us
the security we need. Groups eliminate some of the
maintenance and makes
it easy for a domain admin to maintain. Redirect is close to
the old
Group function we were used to, but suffers from a 512
character limit,
at least that's easy for a domain admin to setup & use
and eliminates
maintenance by the end user.

On the other hand, the bulletin function would work for
'ALL', if it was
easy and secure for access from email.

Lyle Giese
LCR Computer Services, Inc.

Glenn Meadows wrote:
> I don't understand the reluctance to use the built-in
mail list function for
> that domain.  It's EASY to administer.  One click to
add all users who have
> valid email addresses in the domain, can be restricted
to only allow members
> to post, etc.
>
> You can even add people from outside the domain
manually to the list.
>
> We have 3 lists just for our staff, even sub groups
within the company. 
>  
>
> Glenn Meadows
> Sheridan Square Entertainment 
>
>  
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> 	From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info] 
> 	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:26 AM
> 	To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
> 	Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All
> 	
> 	
> 	webmaster1usa.com wrote: 
>
> 		We tell our users to use
> http://
www.xequte.com/maillistking/index.html and then we're
not bothered
> with support.
> 		It will do html emails to individuals - with
customization,
> and accept x (i.e. 3) bounces before removing the
person off the list.
> 		I'd give/sell him a new email account for the list;
that's
> it.
> 		If the customer is too cheap, refer them to
Listbuilders out
> there, whose prices are getting higher.
> 		 
> 		BarryZ
> 		 
>
> 	I guess I was spoiled because the previous software we
used had an
> all<yourdomain.com> feature that could be
restricted to accept email from
> authenicated users only.  One step, no bother and no
maintenance either.
> 	
> 	It also had groups that would allow creating server
based things
> like reps or inside_reps.  The redirect does have a
limit on the number of
> characters up around 512 characters in the To side, so
it's not a direct
> replacement esp for an all company users group.
> 	
> 	This is not for emailing customers, but internal
domain use and
> ideally would allow a domain admin to manage the
membership from one point.
> The mailling lists are more designed for membership
outside the domain and
> allow auto management of dead accounts and self
adding/deleting. 
> 	
> 	With internal domain use, you don't want a user to
drop themselves
> or let their mailbox get full and get bounced out of an
all company
> distribution list.  The bosses would not be happy with
that either.
> 	
> 	Lyle
> 	
>
>
>
>   

Training of a domain admin to handle maintenance on a list
is, in my
opinion, trivial.  Should take, at most 10 minute of
discussion with them on
how to do it.

That's my ten cents (2 cents adjusted for inflation).  I'll
go back to lurk
mode now..<smile>. 


Glenn Meadows
Sheridan Square Entertainment
-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info] 
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:25 AM
To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All

One point is that I am a reseller of the email service here.
I really cann't
afford to give all customers unlimited lists.(bandwidth
costs one of the
reasons). I have to have a reasonable limit on the number of
lists for each
domain. We are a small business, but we do have over 70
domains hosted here
for email.

I would probably end up having to setup the lists initially,
esp. if for
internal use. Most domain admins do not understand the
options in lists and
that increases costs for LCR to provide this as a service.

I am going for ZERO maintenance here<GRIN>! A builtin
'ALL' that can be
limited to authenicated user use, eliminates maintenance and
gives us the
security we need. Groups eliminate some of the maintenance
and makes it easy
for a domain admin to maintain. Redirect is close to the old
Group function
we were used to, but suffers from a 512 character limit, at
least that's
easy for a domain admin to setup & use and eliminates
maintenance by the end
user.

On the other hand, the bulletin function would work for
'ALL', if it was
easy and secure for access from email.

Lyle Giese
LCR Computer Services, Inc.

Glenn Meadows wrote:
> I don't understand the reluctance to use the built-in
mail list 
> function for that domain.  It's EASY to administer. 
One click to add 
> all users who have valid email addresses in the domain,
can be 
> restricted to only allow members to post, etc.
>
> You can even add people from outside the domain
manually to the list.
>
> We have 3 lists just for our staff, even sub groups
within the company. 
>  
>
> Glenn Meadows
> Sheridan Square Entertainment
>
>  
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> 	From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info] 
> 	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:26 AM
> 	To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
> 	Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All
> 	
> 	
> 	webmaster1usa.com wrote: 
>
> 		We tell our users to use
> http://
www.xequte.com/maillistking/index.html and then we're
not 
> bothered with support.
> 		It will do html emails to individuals - with
customization,
and 
> accept x (i.e. 3) bounces before removing the person
off the list.
> 		I'd give/sell him a new email account for the list;
that's
it.
> 		If the customer is too cheap, refer them to
Listbuilders out
there, 
> whose prices are getting higher.
> 		 
> 		BarryZ
> 		 
>
> 	I guess I was spoiled because the previous software we
used had an 
> all<yourdomain.com> feature that could be
restricted to accept email 
> from authenicated users only.  One step, no bother and
no maintenance
either.
> 	
> 	It also had groups that would allow creating server
based things
like 
> reps or inside_reps.  The redirect does have a limit on
the number of 
> characters up around 512 characters in the To side, so
it's not a 
> direct replacement esp for an all company users group.
> 	
> 	This is not for emailing customers, but internal
domain use and 
> ideally would allow a domain admin to manage the
membership from one
point.
> The mailling lists are more designed for membership
outside the domain 
> and allow auto management of dead accounts and self
adding/deleting.
> 	
> 	With internal domain use, you don't want a user to
drop themselves
or 
> let their mailbox get full and get bounced out of an
all company 
> distribution list.  The bosses would not be happy with
that either.
> 	
> 	Lyle
> 	
>
>
>
>   

Lyle,

Why not use the bulletin function - if the recipients are
local to the 
domain, this will work great. I use it for one of my domains
and enabled 
it for one of our customers at my day job. One of the cool
things is, 
unlike CGPro (which is where I think you came from) the
bulletin will 
still work even if the end users' mailbox is full. It is
basically a 
single message that is stored on the server, so that pretty
much 
addresses your bandwidth issue.

Any you can set an expire time/date as well as have the
ability to 
resend a bulletin and edit existing ones.

It is a great feature. The only limitation is that you can
not send to 
people outside of the domain.

Dale

Lyle Giese wrote:
> One point is that I am a reseller of the email service
here. I really
> cann't afford to give all customers unlimited
lists.(bandwidth costs one
> of the reasons). I have to have a reasonable limit on
the number of
> lists for each domain. We are a small business, but we
do have over 70
> domains hosted here for email.
>
> I would probably end up having to setup the lists
initially, esp. if for
> internal use. Most domain admins do not understand the
options in lists
> and that increases costs for LCR to provide this as a
service.
>
> I am going for ZERO maintenance here<GRIN>! A
builtin 'ALL' that can be
> limited to authenicated user use, eliminates
maintenance and gives us
> the security we need. Groups eliminate some of the
maintenance and makes
> it easy for a domain admin to maintain. Redirect is
close to the old
> Group function we were used to, but suffers from a 512
character limit,
> at least that's easy for a domain admin to setup &
use and eliminates
> maintenance by the end user.
>
> On the other hand, the bulletin function would work for
'ALL', if it was
> easy and secure for access from email.
>
> Lyle Giese
> LCR Computer Services, Inc.
>
> Glenn Meadows wrote:
>   
>> I don't understand the reluctance to use the
built-in mail list function for
>> that domain.  It's EASY to administer.  One click
to add all users who have
>> valid email addresses in the domain, can be
restricted to only allow members
>> to post, etc.
>>
>> You can even add people from outside the domain
manually to the list.
>>
>> We have 3 lists just for our staff, even sub groups
within the company. 
>>  
>>
>> Glenn Meadows
>> Sheridan Square Entertainment 
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> 	From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info] 
>> 	Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:26 AM
>> 	To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
>> 	Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	webmaster1usa.com wrote: 
>>
>> 		We tell our users to use
>> http://
www.xequte.com/maillistking/index.html and then we're
not bothered
>> with support.
>> 		It will do html emails to individuals - with
customization,
>> and accept x (i.e. 3) bounces before removing the
person off the list.
>> 		I'd give/sell him a new email account for the
list; that's
>> it.
>> 		If the customer is too cheap, refer them to
Listbuilders out
>> there, whose prices are getting higher.
>> 		 
>> 		BarryZ
>> 		 
>>
>> 	I guess I was spoiled because the previous
software we used had an
>> all<yourdomain.com> feature that could be
restricted to accept email from
>> authenicated users only.  One step, no bother and
no maintenance either.
>> 	
>> 	It also had groups that would allow creating
server based things
>> like reps or inside_reps.  The redirect does have a
limit on the number of
>> characters up around 512 characters in the To side,
so it's not a direct
>> replacement esp for an all company users group.
>> 	
>> 	This is not for emailing customers, but internal
domain use and
>> ideally would allow a domain admin to manage the
membership from one point.
>> The mailling lists are more designed for membership
outside the domain and
>> allow auto management of dead accounts and self
adding/deleting. 
>> 	
>> 	With internal domain use, you don't want a user to
drop themselves
>> or let their mailbox get full and get bounced out
of an all company
>> distribution list.  The bosses would not be happy
with that either.
>> 	
>> 	Lyle
>> 	
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>
>   

Can users send a bulletin from their Outlook?

Lyle

Dale wrote:
> Lyle,
>
> Why not use the bulletin function - if the recipients
are local to the
> domain, this will work great. I use it for one of my
domains and
> enabled it for one of our customers at my day job. One
of the cool
> things is, unlike CGPro (which is where I think you
came from) the
> bulletin will still work even if the end users' mailbox
is full. It is
> basically a single message that is stored on the
server, so that
> pretty much addresses your bandwidth issue.
>
> Any you can set an expire time/date as well as have the
ability to
> resend a bulletin and edit existing ones.
>
> It is a great feature. The only limitation is that you
can not send to
> people outside of the domain.
>
> Dale
>
> Lyle Giese wrote:
>> One point is that I am a reseller of the email
service here. I really
>> cann't afford to give all customers unlimited
lists.(bandwidth costs one
>> of the reasons). I have to have a reasonable limit
on the number of
>> lists for each domain. We are a small business, but
we do have over 70
>> domains hosted here for email.
>>
>> I would probably end up having to setup the lists
initially, esp. if for
>> internal use. Most domain admins do not understand
the options in lists
>> and that increases costs for LCR to provide this as
a service.
>>
>> I am going for ZERO maintenance here<GRIN>! A
builtin 'ALL' that can be
>> limited to authenicated user use, eliminates
maintenance and gives us
>> the security we need. Groups eliminate some of the
maintenance and makes
>> it easy for a domain admin to maintain. Redirect is
close to the old
>> Group function we were used to, but suffers from a
512 character limit,
>> at least that's easy for a domain admin to setup
& use and eliminates
>> maintenance by the end user.
>>
>> On the other hand, the bulletin function would work
for 'ALL', if it was
>> easy and secure for access from email.
>>
>> Lyle Giese
>> LCR Computer Services, Inc.
>>
>> Glenn Meadows wrote:
>>  
>>> I don't understand the reluctance to use the
built-in mail list
>>> function for
>>> that domain.  It's EASY to administer.  One
click to add all users
>>> who have
>>> valid email addresses in the domain, can be
restricted to only allow
>>> members
>>> to post, etc.
>>>
>>> You can even add people from outside the domain
manually to the list.
>>>
>>> We have 3 lists just for our staff, even sub
groups within the
>>> company.  
>>>
>>> Glenn Meadows
>>> Sheridan Square Entertainment
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>     From: Lyle Giese [mailto:lylelcrcomputer.info]     Sent:
>>> Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:26 AM
>>>     To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
>>>     Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] Mail to All
>>>     
>>>     
>>>     webmaster1usa.com wrote:
>>>         We tell our users to use
>>> http://
www.xequte.com/maillistking/index.html and then we're
not
>>> bothered
>>> with support.
>>>         It will do html emails to individuals -
with customization,
>>> and accept x (i.e. 3) bounces before removing
the person off the list.
>>>         I'd give/sell him a new email account
for the list; that's
>>> it.
>>>         If the customer is too cheap, refer
them to Listbuilders out
>>> there, whose prices are getting higher.
>>>                  BarryZ
>>>         
>>>     I guess I was spoiled because the previous
software we used had an
>>> all<yourdomain.com> feature that could
be restricted to accept
>>> email from
>>> authenicated users only.  One step, no bother
and no maintenance
>>> either.
>>>     
>>>     It also had groups that would allow
creating server based things
>>> like reps or inside_reps.  The redirect does
have a limit on the
>>> number of
>>> characters up around 512 characters in the To
side, so it's not a
>>> direct
>>> replacement esp for an all company users
group.
>>>     
>>>     This is not for emailing customers, but
internal domain use and
>>> ideally would allow a domain admin to manage
the membership from one
>>> point.
>>> The mailling lists are more designed for
membership outside the
>>> domain and
>>> allow auto management of dead accounts and self
adding/deleting.     
>>>     With internal domain use, you don't want a
user to drop themselves
>>> or let their mailbox get full and get bounced
out of an all company
>>> distribution list.  The bosses would not be
happy with that either.
>>>     
>>>     Lyle
>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>>
>>   
>