Fwd: What's the most up to date Webmail Template?

From: "Surgemail Support (Marijn)" < surgemail-supportnetwinsite.com">surgemail-supportnetwinsite.com>

Date: 27 November 2007 10:00:50 PM

To: Noah Price < noahprxy.com">noahprxy.com&gt;

Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] What's the most up to date Webmail Template?

OK a little more information... My crashes were irrelevant - a dodgy build for other reasons :-( Anyway I have tested with two safari configurations:

Safari 3.0.3 under windows - everything I have tried on the smooth template seems to work as expected.

Safari 2.0.4 on OSX under intel - just about everything works as expected. Just the quota display slowly gets additional display items added to the display. This should be easy enough to hide / fix though I would have thought. This was one of the items I remember as being incorrectly displayed last time I checked.

I have not been able to test on osx running on mac hardware as our testbox is too slow and I do not have physical access.

I remember IE5.5 being very dodgy, and I would rule it out as a candidate for the smooth template. Sorry. If you find that it does work well I'll try and get a running install of IE5.5 setup to try it.

As to consistent templates... yes and no... Yes we are working on webmail enhancements, particularly in terms of adding more modern "web 2" type browser techniques. Quite what form these will finally take yet I don't know (depends on several factors out of my control). But we are getting closer, unfortunately I cannot provide any timeframe estimates as development is largely out of my hands.

I'll see if I can tweak the webmail browser check to allow for relevant versions of safari over the next day or two. Let me know how your tests go and what versions of Safari you are using.

Marijn

On 27/11/2007, at 6:01 PM, Noah Price wrote:

Hi Marijn,

Thanks for looking at the webmail templates. Is webmail being reviewed to make a consistent set of templates? I don't mind doing some work at that, but it will be much easier to keep up to date if the core templates are up to date and consistent. It would also be great for disabled features to drop out of webmail, though I think I remember finding a setting to take care of some of that.

While you're looking at Safari on Mac, can you also look into IE 5.5 on Mac? It's the last Mac version. I'll try changing the browser checks and running both as well. A number of the customers I'm evaluating SurgeMail for are heavy Mac users, so I'm trying to see how readily I can "sell" the new webmail to them

Thanks,

Noah

On Nov 26, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Surgemail Support (Marijn) wrote:

A couple of comments on the webmail templates feature support...

Noah Price wrote:

Very timely -- I was about to start customizing the Panel interface, but I need language support.

Well you can setup translated versions but you actually have to edit the template.

I'd like the most modern starting point, including three-pane view. Smooth sounds like where I would start if it had more complete browser support, notably Safari. Do you know what keeps that from working?

Well it is the browser check in frame.tpl that prevents it from working If you remove the browser check as already suggested by someone it should mostly work. Last time I did that test in safari (was quite a while ago) the screen layout was messed up in a few places but the interface was basically functional.

It says "only available for Netscape v7.1+, IE v6.0+." I'd also like to strip out features I'm not using, but I assume as I learn more about the webmail I'll either be able to turn things off or customize the templates to remove them.

Sounds like smooth is probably what you want, it definitely runs in IE7 (that text should be changed). And I know it mostly runs in Safari if the browser check is tweaked.

What are "older" features vs. new? I'd like to omit anything that may not be supported in the future.

Off the top of my head there is the easy customisation of background colours, the logo etc that only works in panel. And a few of the extremely uncommonly used features which I'm not even sure what they are as they are hidden as for standard surgemail installs.

Vinny Abello wrote:

I agree. I was surprised that Safari isn't supported. I'd like to see support added, unless there is a known issue with it which I'd find somewhat hard to believe in my own experience with Safari vs. IE or any Gecko based web browser. Actually, I think Safari reports itself as a Gecko based browser. I'd have to double check that to be sure, but I think I saw that in some information on a device I was connected to via Safari.

It is really lack of safari testing facilities that has traditionally limited this template. However I've just run some tests in safari against my development system and had both surgemail and webmail crash on me separately :-( I'll do a bit of investigation to see what is going on. If people have / have not got this working please let me know.

Marijn

From: "Surgemail Support (Marijn)" <netwinsite.com">surgemail-supportnetwinsite.com>

Date: 27 November 2007 10:00:50 PM

To: Noah Price <prxy.com">noahprxy.com&gt;

Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] What's the most up to date Webmail Template?

OK a little more information... My crashes were irrelevant - a dodgy build for other reasons :-( Anyway I have tested with two safari configurations:

Safari 3.0.3 under windows - everything I have tried on the smooth template seems to work as expected.

Safari 2.0.4 on OSX under intel - just about everything works as expected. Just the quota display slowly gets additional display items added to the display. This should be easy enough to hide / fix though I would have thought. This was one of the items I remember as being incorrectly displayed last time I checked.

I have not been able to test on osx running on mac hardware as our testbox is too slow and I do not have physical access.

I remember IE5.5 being very dodgy, and I would rule it out as a candidate for the smooth template. Sorry. If you find that it does work well I'll try and get a running install of IE5.5 setup to try it.

As to consistent templates... yes and no... Yes we are working on webmail enhancements, particularly in terms of adding more modern "web 2" type browser techniques. Quite what form these will finally take yet I don't know (depends on several factors out of my control). But we are getting closer, unfortunately I cannot provide any timeframe estimates as development is largely out of my hands.

I'll see if I can tweak the webmail browser check to allow for relevant versions of safari over the next day or two. Let me know how your tests go and what versions of Safari you are using.

Marijn

On 27/11/2007, at 6:01 PM, Noah Price wrote:

Hi Marijn,

Thanks for looking at the webmail templates. Is webmail being reviewed to make a consistent set of templates? I don't mind doing some work at that, but it will be much easier to keep up to date if the core templates are up to date and consistent. It would also be great for disabled features to drop out of webmail, though I think I remember finding a setting to take care of some of that.

While you're looking at Safari on Mac, can you also look into IE 5.5 on Mac? It's the last Mac version. I'll try changing the browser checks and running both as well. A number of the customers I'm evaluating SurgeMail for are heavy Mac users, so I'm trying to see how readily I can "sell" the new webmail to them

Thanks,

Noah

On Nov 26, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Surgemail Support (Marijn) wrote:

A couple of comments on the webmail templates feature support...

Noah Price wrote:

Very timely -- I was about to start customizing the Panel interface, but I need language support.

Well you can setup translated versions but you actually have to edit the template.

I'd like the most modern starting point, including three-pane view. Smooth sounds like where I would start if it had more complete browser support, notably Safari. Do you know what keeps that from working?

Well it is the browser check in frame.tpl that prevents it from working If you remove the browser check as already suggested by someone it should mostly work. Last time I did that test in safari (was quite a while ago) the screen layout was messed up in a few places but the interface was basically functional.

It says "only available for Netscape v7.1+, IE v6.0+." I'd also like to strip out features I'm not using, but I assume as I learn more about the webmail I'll either be able to turn things off or customize the templates to remove them.

Sounds like smooth is probably what you want, it definitely runs in IE7 (that text should be changed). And I know it mostly runs in Safari if the browser check is tweaked.

What are "older" features vs. new? I'd like to omit anything that may not be supported in the future.

Off the top of my head there is the easy customisation of background colours, the logo etc that only works in panel. And a few of the extremely uncommonly used features which I'm not even sure what they are as they are hidden as for standard surgemail installs.

Vinny Abello wrote:

I agree. I was surprised that Safari isn't supported. I'd like to see support added, unless there is a known issue with it which I'd find somewhat hard to believe in my own experience with Safari vs. IE or any Gecko based web browser. Actually, I think Safari reports itself as a Gecko based browser. I'd have to double check that to be sure, but I think I saw that in some information on a device I was connected to via Safari.

It is really lack of safari testing facilities that has traditionally limited this template. However I've just run some tests in safari against my development system and had both surgemail and webmail crash on me separately :-( I'll do a bit of investigation to see what is going on. If people have / have not got this working please let me know.

Marijn