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SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
United States
2008-01-13 13:15:35
When I get entries in spf.log like:

Successful allow received <allow-uj3k-193.227.251.22mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (193.227.251.22) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-hca2-122.168.91.165mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (122.168.91.165) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-eaud-125.26.123.111mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (125.26.123.111) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-4cqx-190.56.41.165mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (190.56.41.165) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-7jsq-122.2.150.207mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (122.2.150.207) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-9cnl-217.146.242.107mdcclxxvi.com> 
- ip (217.146.242.107) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-62uw-89.33.3.42mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
(89.33.3.42) unblocked
Successful allow received <allow-0lyw-88.201.128.69mdcclxxvi.com> - 
ip (88.201.128.69) unblocked

What happened to unblock the IPs?

Most of the unblocked IPs seem like spam sources, based on a
DNS 
lookup -- having either no host name associated with the
address or 
an obvious end user/dynamic IP.





Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
New Zealand
2008-01-13 15:04:47
This means they have responded to an allow email, if you
suspect this is becoming extremely common then you can
change 
to the web based allow mechanism instead.
	g_spf_byweb "true"

I doubt this step is really necessary though.

The other thing that would be interesting would be to search
the msg*.rec logs for the same period for the ip address
in question and see how long the delay was before the allow
email arrived from when the original email was bounced.


	ChrisP.


Warren Michelsen wrote:
> When I get entries in spf.log like:
> 
> Successful allow received
<allow-uj3k-193.227.251.22mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (193.227.251.22) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-hca2-122.168.91.165mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (122.168.91.165) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-eaud-125.26.123.111mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (125.26.123.111) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-4cqx-190.56.41.165mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (190.56.41.165) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-7jsq-122.2.150.207mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (122.2.150.207) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-9cnl-217.146.242.107mdcclxxvi.com> - 
> ip (217.146.242.107) unblocked
> Successful allow received <allow-62uw-89.33.3.42mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (89.33.3.42) unblocked
> Successful allow received
<allow-0lyw-88.201.128.69mdcclxxvi.com> - ip 
> (88.201.128.69) unblocked
> 
> What happened to unblock the IPs?
> 
> Most of the unblocked IPs seem like spam sources, based
on a DNS lookup 
> -- having either no host name associated with the
address or an obvious 
> end user/dynamic IP.
> 
> 
> 
> 


Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
United States
2008-01-13 18:33:15
At 10:04 AM +1300 1/14/08, Support ChrisP sent email
regarding Re: 
[SurgeMail List] SPF Unblocking:
>This means they have responded to an allow email, if you
suspect 
>this is becoming extremely common then you can change to
the web 
>based allow mechanism instead.
>	g_spf_byweb "true"
>
>I doubt this step is really necessary though.

Necessary? I dunno. Most every IP which has been unblocked
is caught 
by an RBL or some such.

>
>The other thing that would be interesting would be to
search the 
>msg*.rec logs for the same period for the ip address in
question and 
>see how long the delay was before the allow email
arrived from when 
>the original email was bounced.

It would sure be nice if the msg*.rec logs could be searched
from the 
Logs web admin page.

>
>
>	ChrisP.
>
>
>Warren Michelsen wrote:
>>When I get entries in spf.log like:
>>
>>Successful allow received
<allow-uj3k-193.227.251.22mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (193.227.251.22) unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-hca2-122.168.91.165mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (122.168.91.165) unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-eaud-125.26.123.111mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (125.26.123.111) unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-4cqx-190.56.41.165mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (190.56.41.165) unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-7jsq-122.2.150.207mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (122.2.150.207) unblocked
>>Successful allow received 
>><allow-9cnl-217.146.242.107mdcclxxvi.com> - ip
(217.146.242.107) 
>>unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-62uw-89.33.3.42mdcclxxvi.com> - 
>>ip (89.33.3.42) unblocked
>>Successful allow received
<allow-0lyw-88.201.128.69mdcclxxvi.com> 
>>- ip (88.201.128.69) unblocked
>>
>>What happened to unblock the IPs?



Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
United States
2008-01-13 19:34:06
At 10:04 AM +1300 1/14/08, Support ChrisP sent email
regarding Re: 
[SurgeMail List] SPF Unblocking:
>This means they have responded to an allow email, if you
suspect 
>this is becoming extremely common then you can change to
the web 
>based allow mechanism instead.
>	g_spf_byweb "true"

That would just make it easier to bypass SPF. As is, when
spf bounces 
one of these, I see the unblock message coming back from
multiple 
IPs, each of which is caught by the RBL list.

>The other thing that would be interesting would be to
search the 
>msg*.rec logs for the same period for the ip address in
question and 
>see how long the delay was before the allow email
arrived from when 
>the original email was bounced.

OK, if I'm in the msg0801 directory, what the Unixy way to
search all 
.rec files in it for a given string?





Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
New Zealand
2008-01-13 19:48:49
Warren Michelsen wrote:
> At 10:04 AM +1300 1/14/08, Support ChrisP sent email
regarding Re: 
> [SurgeMail List] SPF Unblocking:
>> This means they have responded to an allow email,
if you suspect this 
>> is becoming extremely common then you can change to
the web based 
>> allow mechanism instead.
>>     g_spf_byweb "true"
> 
> That would just make it easier to bypass SPF. As is,
when spf bounces 
> one of these, I see the unblock message coming back
from multiple IPs, 
> each of which is caught by the RBL list.
> 
>> The other thing that would be interesting would be
to search the 
>> msg*.rec logs for the same period for the ip
address in question and 
>> see how long the delay was before the allow email
arrived from when 
>> the original email was bounced.
> 
> OK, if I'm in the msg0801 directory, what the Unixy way
to search all 
> .rec files in it for a given string?

grep "1.2.3.4" msg*.rec

the log web admin page does search the msg*.rec files,
that's the default file for it to search, you just need to
change the date range to make it search older ones too.

Or use grep as above.


	ChrisP.



Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
United States
2008-01-13 23:43:19
Well, this is interesting. I went through my current and one
rolled 
spf.log. Here's what I found.

One (1) address was unclocked just one time -- a msn server.
Very likely legit.

For every other IP address that was unblocked (16 of them),
SM 
received an average 50.68 emails to the address. So, this
looks to me 
like these addresses were being spammed; these were not
legitimate 
unblocking emails. (Often they were from multiple IPs at
different 
domains to the same unblocking address.) Fortunately, it
appears that 
SM, upon receiving a message to the unblocking address,
simply 
unblocks (and logs it) then drops the connection, there
being no 
actual recipient with that account name.

So, there was one legit unlock, 811 spam attempts to the
unlock 
addresses and the spf.log, for the same period, shows 
30,871 
"SPF_NONE and mode==mean so trying a default rule"
entries.



Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
New Zealand
2008-01-14 19:49:43
Hmm, ok I've looked into this a bit more and found similar
results, it seems a spam robot of some sort collects
the allow addresses then tries to send spam at them, which
luckily is pointless and harmless, but we will modify the 
hashing slightly so in future it will recognize these and
give 550 errors back instead.

	ChrisP.


Warren Michelsen wrote:
> Well, this is interesting. I went through my current
and one rolled 
> spf.log. Here's what I found.
> 
> One (1) address was unclocked just one time -- a msn
server. Very likely 
> legit.
> 
> For every other IP address that was unblocked (16 of
them), SM received 
> an average 50.68 emails to the address. So, this looks
to me like these 
> addresses were being spammed; these were not legitimate
unblocking 
> emails. (Often they were from multiple IPs at different
domains to the 
> same unblocking address.) Fortunately, it appears that
SM, upon 
> receiving a message to the unblocking address, simply
unblocks (and logs 
> it) then drops the connection, there being no actual
recipient with that 
> account name.
> 
> So, there was one legit unlock, 811 spam attempts to
the unlock 
> addresses and the spf.log, for the same period, shows 
30,871 "SPF_NONE 
> and mode==mean so trying a default rule" entries.
> 
> 


Re: SPF Unblocking
country flaguser name
United States
2008-01-14 20:19:01
There's got to be a way to stop those dumb email address collectors from sending emails into an old SPF Unblock for YEARS...
If you also write in the capability to add a Header,&nbsp;like X-SPF-Hack  or something to that effect, then those can be set to count to 4 (or another number)&nbsp;then do what sending to the g_spam_catcher does -- which is to automatically block the IP for x hours.
This is assuming of course that no real person would send to an SPF-Unblock using a different IP.
... and again, this only applies to systems who don't yet use g_spf_byweb
 
BarryZ
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SurgeMail List] SPF Unblocking

Hmm, ok I've looked into this a bit more and found similar results, it seems a spam robot of some sort collects
the allow addresses then tries to send spam at them, which luckily is pointless and harmless, but we will modify the
hashing slightly so in future it will recognize these and give 550 errors back instead.

ChrisP.


Warren Michelsen wrote:
&gt; Well, this is interesting. I went through my current and one rolled
> spf.log. Here's what I found.
>;
> One (1) address was unclocked just one time -- a msn server. Very likely
> legit.
>;
> For every other IP address that was unblocked (16 of them), SM received
> an average 50.68 emails to the address. So, this looks to me like these
> addresses were being spammed; these were not legitimate unblocking
> emails. (Often they were from multiple IPs at different domains to the
> same unblocking address.) Fortunately, it appears that SM, upon
> receiving a message to the unblocking address, simply unblocks (and logs
> it) then drops the connection, there being no actual recipient with that
> account name.
>
> So, there was one legit unlock, 811 spam attempts to the unlock
> addresses and the spf.log, for the same period, shows ; 30,871 "SPF_NONE
> and mode==mean so trying a default rule" entries.
&gt;
>

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