I can just throw in from a "Looks" standpoint,
take the Blogs templates as a
cue as to the overall polish I think. Unfortunately, many
times, it's the
"sizzle" more so than the meat. If it LOOKS good,
it HAS to be good, right?
Glenn Meadows
Sheridan Square Entertainment
-----Original Message-----
From: Surgemail Support (Marijn)
[mailto:surgemail-support netwinsite.com]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:33 PM
To: surgemail-listnetwinsite.com
Subject: Re: Spam ***,
Spam***, Re:
[SurgeMail List] Re: Any news
regarding new generation of WebMail templates
I just accidentally ran across this thread... a FYI on one
of the subject
matter on this post...
> and outgoing mail. The trick is when you are told to
provide all
> communications to and from user 'X' from Jan 1 to June
30, how do you
> do that?"
>
> within surgemail, you can't. i needed to look at this
over a year ago
The current archive search facility is not ideal but it
should be perfectly
functional to do the type of queries that you are referring
to. Just press
the search field next to each archive rule on the archive
definition page
and it gets you to the tellmail page with a bunch of
information on archive
searching and extraction.
To see how many messages there are:
tellmail archive_search archive_name dummy_field to=Xmydomain.com from=*
subject=* range=01/01/2007-30/06/2007
tellmail archive_search archive_name dummy_field to=*
from=Xmydomain.com
subject=* range=01/01/2007-30/06/2007
Then to extract them:
tellmail archive_extract archive_name resultmydomain.com to=Xmydomain.com
from=* subject=* range=01/01/2007-30/06/2007 tellmail
archive_extract
archive_name resultmydomain.com to=* from=Xmydomain.com subject=*
range=01/01/2007-30/06/2007
and use the imap mail client of your choice - or webmail to
browse the
messages in question.
Of course you can also issue the above tellmail commands on
the command
line.
And regarding new webmail. Please let me know what
specifically you are
looking for in non "Clunky" webmail client. I am
spending all my time on the
new webmail so any constructive input you provide will
definitely have a
high chance of getting in and speeding the development
process along.
Marijn
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From: "David Camm" <dcammadvwebsys.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:03 AM
To: <surgemail-listnetwinsite.com>
Subject: Spam***,
Spam***, Re:
[SurgeMail List] Re: Any news regarding
new generation of WebMail templates
> "Surgemail has archiving, which creats essentially
digests of incoming
> and outgoing mail. The trick is when you are told to
provide all
> communications to and from user 'X' from Jan 1 to June
30, how do you
> do that?"
>
> within surgemail, you can't. i needed to look at this
over a year ago
> for a customer in the financial industry and i actually
started
> writing a web-based application in perl to do this -
reading and
> searching a surgemail archive, presenting a results
list, then giving
> the searcher the option of downloading a file of the
results or viewing
the raw emails.
> then, the customer told me they found a service which
provided
> regulatory conformant e-mail and archiving, so i
abandoned the project.
>
> i'd submit that the surgemail developers should NOT be
spending their
> time on these types of 'add-ons' but should concentrate
on the mta,
> webmail, etc.
>
> david camm
> advanced web systems
> keller, tx
>
> Ben Hanson wrote:
>> You are absolutely right, of course. Item 3 is
entirely what I
>> referring to with regards to compliance. Items
1&2 are simply lumped
>> in by sales, marketing, and those who tend to have
the authority to
>> drive corporate decision making with these things.
My personal
>> preference is to base decisions around reliability
and functionality,
>> but that doesn't mesh with the other agenda.
>> Surgemail has archiving, which creats essentially
digests of incoming
>> and outgoing mail. The trick is when you are told
to provide all
>> communications to and from user 'X' from Jan 1 to
June 30, how do you
>> do that?
>> I wish I didn't even have to consider these other
factors; I'm
>> extremely happy with Surgemail, but there is
speculation, out of my
>> hands, based on these other issues, which in my
mind all end up with
>> an annual bill to Microsoft. That's not where I
want to go, both for
>> reasons of sanity and increased support
requirements, and also financial
ramifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Vey wrote:
>>> Ben,
>>> Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us how
a "standards compliant"
>>> calendar (is there a written standard for
calendars?), and a less
>>> clunky webmail (I think they are all clunky)
would help with compliance
rules?
>>> I am certainly not an expert in the field of
compliance, but I have
>>> been on contract for banks in the past, so I am
familiar with the
concept.
>>>
>>> From my experience, it seems that whomever is
writing the compliance
>>> rules finds their favorite piece of software,
lists its advantages,
>>> then demands that all other software do what is
on that list. The
>>> favored software disadvantages are always
ignored.
>>>
>>> What ever the favored software does and how it
does it, miraculously
>>> becomes "standard" even though the
procedures may be closed and
>>> proprietary, thus no one will ever be able to
use that "standard."
>>>
>>> I will agree with you if you mean what I think
you mean when you say
>>> "easily supported restore on demand
message archiving." Archiving
>>> has become very important to government
officials in regulated
>>> industries, to various courts and even
governmental agencies, but
>>> not to the current White House it seems.
Sometimes, an absolute
>>> mirror is run side-by-side not just for
archiving, but for also
maintenance .
>>> Sometimes, duplicate messages are made on a
different drive that is
>>> rotated out when it is full and put on a shelf
as is -- hard drives
>>> are cheap these days. Are you saying that
Surgemail can't archive
>>> these ways very well? That it can't do either
of these things?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Hanson wrote:
>>>> As I've noted before, the factors that may
indeed force me in 2008
>>>> to potentially move away from Surgemail
are
>>>> 1) Lack of standards compliant Calendar
>>>> 2) Clunky webmail
>>>> 3) Lack of easily supported restore on
demand message archiving.
>>>> Our company may potentially become part of
a public entity soon,
>>>> and various compliance rules are going to
make it a hard sell. I
>>>> put Surgemail in place due to it's
absolutely rock solid and
>>>> extensible architecture, but those factors
mean very little to the
>>>> organization from a standpoint of Corporate
executives and
>>>> regulations. The development of these
things is going to be
>>>> critical in the future. Ben
>>>>
>>>> Support ChrisP wrote:
>>>>> re: new webmail ... it is progressing
well but no eta at this
>>>>> time, we do appreciate how important it
is.
>>>>>
>>>>> re: caldav... we have no immediate
plans for this, but it is on
>>>>> the wish list and your request is
definitely noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> ChrisP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> surgemail-listnetwinsite.com wrote:
>>>>>> I agree with this completely, and
have been waiting and hoping
>>>>>> for this future enhancement. The
current webmail is very
>>>>>> outdated compared to other modern
web mail interfaces. I also
>>>>>> have many users complain about the
speed of web mail, and when I
>>>>>> check it out, most is due to them
having thousands of messages.
>>>>>> The one web mail I always say to
look at as a model is Zimbra. I
>>>>>> was VERY impressed by Zimbra's web
mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second most requested feature
of mine is a universal way to
>>>>>> access the calendar server. CalDav
would probably be the best I
>>>>>> see right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Surgemail has the best
backend (SMTP, IMAP, POP) around,
>>>>>> which is why I use it, but really
hope they don't forget about
>>>>>> the webmail and calendar areas.
These are important areas since
>>>>>> that is what the user is exposed
to, and where we get complaints
about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will keep my fingers crossed I
see a new version with an
>>>>>> updated web mail and CalDav support
in the near future 
>>>>>> "Adeeb" <adeebkhayal.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I have read posts over the past
year that mention that you are
>>>>>> working on new versions of the
WebMail templates that are more
>>>>>> inline with other modern web mail
interfaces (Yahoo, iMail,
>>>>>> Gmail, etc). Is there any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This remains our customers' biggest
complaint regarding
>>>>>> Surgemail. In particular Look &
Feel and very slow performance
>>>>>> with mailboxes with thousands of
messages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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