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Re: Challenge-Response
country flaguser name
Canada
2008-04-24 19:54:57
On 24-Apr-08, at 4:29 PM, Matt wrote:

> Steve Hume wrote:
>> Your rules have an SPF record like this
>> "v=spf1 mx ptr ip4:24.207.1.0/24 ?all"
>
> You're assuming I'm writing to the list from my place
of work ;)
Shouldn't matter.
Most networks will let port 465 SSL SMTP pass out the
firewall. That  
way you can send using your SMTP from anywhere but foreign
webmail  
portals. That's how I do it. Since I use IMAP I have to log
into my  
server anyways to keep the sent mail folder updated. The
only case I  
could not stop was my Blackberry. It sends from BB SMTP
servers. I had  
to add them to my SPF record so I could keep the -all.  You
can also  
add the SMTP servers that you do use while "not at
work" to the SPF  
record. It took me a year before I went -all, but after
having it set  
that way for more than a year, I see no ill effects. No
backscatter  
towards my server either; but that might be Surgemail
dealing with it?

Yes the SPF system needs cooperation for it to be an
effective anti- 
spam tool.

My personal feeling on the C/R tool is that it is deflecting
60% spam  
and 37% Unsolicited HTML marketing emails to servers that
don't have  
SPF setup, and 3% emails from new sources that really should
have SPF  
too. The marketing guys should know better and setup SPF.
The bad use  
of innocent sender addresses for spam has the baby step of
setting up  
strict SPF for your domains so that other servers can at
least know  
not to backscatter.

Since my little server deals with spam that is greater than
50% of all  
email transactions, the internet must still be largely spam.
I am  
grateful to Netwin for the tools they have provided.

My favorite application of Friends C/R is when one of my
users gets a  
request from a "spammer" on orkut.com. Of course
they get a Friend  
challenge  Then,
they don't seem to want to be a Friend all of a  
sudden and don't confirm. These orkut messages are in the
grey zone,  
as they are usually spam nut could be a real new friend
attempt also.  
I think the Friend challenge is quite good in this
scenario.

Go "-all", you have the right tool for the job.

Steve Hume


Re: Challenge-Response
country flaguser name
United States
2008-04-24 20:33:14
Hi all,


In terms of generating and dealing with backscatter, could
we get (or  
do we already have, there are so many options it's possible)
a  
verification header that could be used to check whether an
email was  
sent through that server or not?

Here's one that we use with our sendmail boxes for example.
<ht
tp://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-null/>

Similar options in SM would be great.


cheers,
Richard


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