Re: Post Processing Raw files (was: Squirrel's)

Norman,

1.
Unsharp Mask is a specific form of making the photo sharper. If your
in-camera setting specifies High Sharpening, then you probably won't
want to sharpen any more. I prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening,
and then apply it with Photoshop. The Photoshop Sharpening algorythm
is more sophisticated.

2. For Photoshop to read RAW (NEF) files, it requires a special
addition named Camera Raw. This can be downloaded from the Adobe
site, pay attention to which version you download, depending on
which version of Photoshop you are running.

When installed, you get a special NEF-processing screen from Camera
Raw, after which you notify Photoshop to transfer you and the shot
together to the standard Photoshop screens for continued processing.

If you have PS/CS3, take a look at:
<http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html>

--- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
<mainephotographer1955...> wrote:
&gt;
> avrahamreiss,
> i will do just that also i'd asked what is UnSharp Mask for? i know
about levels( i do shoot raw) and cropping.
> and one more thing does anyone know why when i put camera card in
computer (CF) that adobe doest read raw files? am i missing something
here.
> thanks again
&gt; Yours Truely,
> Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> © MSAN Photography
> © 2007 ©
> http://www.msan.smugmug.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: avrahamreiss
> To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:59 AM
> Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
>
>
> Norman,
> I was surpised to read that you generally don't edit in
Photoshop -
> from which I understand you to say that you generally don't edit
at
> all; if I got that wrong, disregard the rest of this post.
&gt;
> I suggest to you that you make a test by selecting about 5 of
your
> best shots, edit each one in PS or a similar editor,
concentrating on
> 3 points: Levels, UnSharp Mask and Cropping. Compare each output
with
> the original unprocessed version. I can't believe you won't see
> improvements.
>
> I'm only a hobbyist, but you as a professional should want to
sell
> the best possible views of your work, n'est ces pas?
>
> --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
&gt; >
>; > Ahhhhhhhhh,but my friend i didn't take it as you may have
though i
> did.i did say"and yes comments are always welcome&quot; and they
are.no
> matter what anyone may think of them. it's just my style of
shooting
> i genarlly don't edit in photo shop maybe i should, and yes maybe
i
> should not add all pictures i shoot,just the good ones.but thats
not
> my style.
&gt; > and i welcome your criticism and will take that into account
next
> time i make an album.
&gt; > Yours Truely,
> > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > © MSAN Photography
> > © 2007 ©
> > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: avrahamreiss
> > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:07 PM
> > Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> >
> >
> > Friend Norman,
> > you wrote:
&gt; > "and yes comments are always welcome&quot; (sic) - you should ammend
> that
> > to read "and yes positive comments only are always welcome&quot;.
> >
> > Anyway, I was commenting on your layout, not on your
photography.
> > As far as I am concerned, that was constructive criticism. Had
> you
> > selected just 4-5 of your best shots (assuming you had 4-5 good
> > shots - I'm not going back there to check) you would have
> appeared a
> > better photographer from that specific layout.
> >
> > --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> > <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
&gt; > >
>; > > thats ok to each his own.some people just have nothing better
> to
> > say.May i ask avrahamreiss to you have any offerings? if so i'd
> like
> > to take a look
>; > > Yours Truely,
> > > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > > © MSAN Photography
> > > © 2007 ©
> > > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jan P.
> > > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> > >
> > >
> > > rude
>; > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: avrahamreiss
> > > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:36 AM
> > > Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> > >
> > > Squirrels are great to view; 7 pages of them are boring ...
> > >
> > > --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> > > <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
&gt; > > >
>; > > > Here is the long a waited pictures from our trip across
> > America:so
> > > enjoy and yes comments are always welcome
> > > >
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/gallery/3356377/1/186665998#P-1-15
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/gallery/3470176#134689427
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/Our%20Trip%20Across%20America
> > > > Yours Truely,
> > > > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > > > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > > > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > > > © MSAN Photography
> > > > © 2007 ©
> > > > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
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'prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening, ' where would i fine this setting?
Yours Truely,
Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
"The MainePhotographer&quot;
"A Life Time of Memories&quot;
© MSAN Photography
© 2007 ©
http://www.msan.smugmug.com

----- Original Message -----
From: avrahamreiss
To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Post Processing Raw files (was: Squirrel's)

Norman,

1.
Unsharp Mask is a specific form of making the photo sharper. If your
in-camera setting specifies High Sharpening, then you probably won't
want to sharpen any more. I prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening,
and then apply it with Photoshop. The Photoshop Sharpening algorythm
is more sophisticated.

2. For Photoshop to read RAW (NEF) files, it requires a special
addition named Camera Raw. This can be downloaded from the Adobe
site, pay attention to which version you download, depending on
which version of Photoshop you are running.

When installed, you get a special NEF-processing screen from Camera
Raw, after which you notify Photoshop to transfer you and the shot
together to the standard Photoshop screens for continued processing.

If you have PS/CS3, take a look at:
<http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html>

--- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
<mainephotographer1955...> wrote:
>
> avrahamreiss,
> i will do just that also i'd asked what is UnSharp Mask for? i know
about levels( i do shoot raw) and cropping.
> and one more thing does anyone know why when i put camera card in
computer (CF) that adobe doest read raw files? am i missing something
here.
> thanks again
> Yours Truely,
> Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> © MSAN Photography
> © 2007 ©
> http://www.msan.smugmug.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: avrahamreiss
> To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:59 AM
> Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
>
>
> Norman,
> I was surpised to read that you generally don't edit in
Photoshop -
> from which I understand you to say that you generally don't edit
at
> all; if I got that wrong, disregard the rest of this post.
>
> I suggest to you that you make a test by selecting about 5 of
your
> best shots, edit each one in PS or a similar editor,
concentrating on
> 3 points: Levels, UnSharp Mask and Cropping. Compare each output
with
> the original unprocessed version. I can't believe you won't see
> improvements.
>
> I'm only a hobbyist, but you as a professional should want to
sell
> the best possible views of your work, n'est ces pas?
>
> --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
> >
> > Ahhhhhhhhh,but my friend i didn't take it as you may have
though i
> did.i did say"and yes comments are always welcome&quot; and they
are.no
> matter what anyone may think of them. it's just my style of
shooting
> i genarlly don't edit in photo shop maybe i should, and yes maybe
i
> should not add all pictures i shoot,just the good ones.but thats
not
> my style.
> > and i welcome your criticism and will take that into account
next
> time i make an album.
> > Yours Truely,
> > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > © MSAN Photography
> > © 2007 ©
> > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: avrahamreiss
> > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:07 PM
> > Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> >
> >
> > Friend Norman,
> > you wrote:
> > "and yes comments are always welcome&quot; (sic) - you should ammend
> that
> > to read "and yes positive comments only are always welcome&quot;.
> >
> > Anyway, I was commenting on your layout, not on your
photography.
> > As far as I am concerned, that was constructive criticism. Had
> you
> > selected just 4-5 of your best shots (assuming you had 4-5 good
> > shots - I'm not going back there to check) you would have
> appeared a
> > better photographer from that specific layout.
> >
> > --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> > <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
> > >
> > > thats ok to each his own.some people just have nothing better
> to
> > say.May i ask avrahamreiss to you have any offerings? if so i'd
> like
> > to take a look
> > > Yours Truely,
> > > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > > © MSAN Photography
> > > © 2007 ©
> > > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jan P.
> > > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> > >
> > >
> > > rude
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: avrahamreiss
> > > To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:36 AM
> > > Subject: [Nikon-D70] Re: Squirrel's
> > >
> > > Squirrels are great to view; 7 pages of them are boring ...
> > >
> > > --- In Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com, "Norman Lamothe&quot;
> > > <mainephotographer1955> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Here is the long a waited pictures from our trip across
> > America:so
> > > enjoy and yes comments are always welcome
> > > >
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/gallery/3356377/1/186665998#P-1-15
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/gallery/3470176#134689427
> > > > http://msan.smugmug.com/Our%20Trip%20Across%20America
> > > > Yours Truely,
> > > > Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
> > > > "The MainePhotographer&quot;
> > > > "A Life Time of Memories&quot;
> > > > © MSAN Photography
> > > > © 2007 ©
> > > > http://www.msan.smugmug.com
> > > >
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Do you have a manual? If not, under Shooting Menu, go to Optimize
image, then to Custom, then to Sharpening and choose 'None' if you want
no sharpening.

-Brent

Norman Lamothe wrote:
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> 'prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening, ' where would i fine this setting?
> Yours Truely,
> Norman R.Lamothe,Jr

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> Norman Lamothe wrote:
&gt; > 'prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening, ' where would i fine this setting?

You've expressed that you shoot only in RAW, so your in camera sharpening
settings do not matter. (The in camera sharpening settings only affect the
JPEG that the camera creates in camera.)

You would choose the sharpening setting that you want to use for any
particular image in ACR/NX/Bibble or what have you as part of your workflow.

I've found that I do just fine using a more aggressive default setting of
65 sharpening in ACR as part of my standard workflow. Many folks(who may
know better than I) recommend not sharpening at all until the photos are
resized for printing. I don't resize my photos for printing, my lab does
this so I sharpen and adjust for noise, white balance, white point, black
point, gamma, calibration, etc... all in one step in ACR. I just keep them
in their original NEF resolution 3008X2000 (or 3872X2592) pixels at 300dpi
when I make the compressed to '10' Quality JPEG copies of my finalised DNG
files.

If you aren't a 'professional', showing any and all work to anyone online
would be fine and dandy if you want to adopt that as your 'style', but as a
professional photographer, the market judges how 'good' you are based on
your /weakest/ work (always comparing it to the best that they themselves
have ever happened to have produced) so why show anything but your absolute
best to a critical customer base just looking for an excuse to say "I could
do something THAT good...why would I buy that?!&quot;?

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Be well,
Michael Eric Berube
GoodPhotos.com

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ok i did have it set to normal,now i put it under custom>done.
Yours Truely,
Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
"The MainePhotographer&quot;
"A Life Time of Memories&quot;
© MSAN Photography
© 2007 ©
http://www.msan.smugmug.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Rawlings
To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nikon-D70] Re: Post Processing Raw files (was: Squirrel's)

Do you have a manual? If not, under Shooting Menu, go to Optimize
image, then to Custom, then to Sharpening and choose 'None' if you want
no sharpening.

-Brent

Norman Lamothe wrote:
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> 'prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening, ' where would i fine this setting?
> Yours Truely,
> Norman R.Lamothe,Jr

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Point well taken thanks
Yours Truly,
Norman R.Lamothe,Jr
"The MainePhotographer&quot;
"A Life Time of Memories&quot;
© MSAN Photography
© 2007 ©
http://www.msan.smugmug.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Eric Berube
To: Nikon-D70%40yahoogroups.com">Nikon-D70yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nikon-D70] Re: Post Processing Raw files

> Norman Lamothe wrote:
> > 'prefer to turn OFF in-camera Sharpening, ' where would i fine this setting?

You've expressed that you shoot only in RAW, so your in camera sharpening
settings do not matter. (The in camera sharpening settings only affect the
JPEG that the camera creates in camera.)

You would choose the sharpening setting that you want to use for any
particular image in ACR/NX/Bibble or what have you as part of your workflow.

I've found that I do just fine using a more aggressive default setting of
65 sharpening in ACR as part of my standard workflow. Many folks(who may
know better than I) recommend not sharpening at all until the photos are
resized for printing. I don't resize my photos for printing, my lab does
this so I sharpen and adjust for noise, white balance, white point, black
point, gamma, calibration, etc... all in one step in ACR. I just keep them
in their original NEF resolution 3008X2000 (or 3872X2592) pixels at 300dpi
when I make the compressed to '10' Quality JPEG copies of my finalised DNG
files.

If you aren't a 'professional', showing any and all work to anyone online
would be fine and dandy if you want to adopt that as your 'style', but as a
professional photographer, the market judges how 'good' you are based on
your /weakest/ work (always comparing it to the best that they themselves
have ever happened to have produced) so why show anything but your absolute
best to a critical customer base just looking for an excuse to say "I could
do something THAT good...why would I buy that?!&quot;?

--
Be well,
Michael Eric Berube
GoodPhotos.com

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