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Global Crossing Contact / BGP and SONET interaction question
user name
2006-07-26 04:55:20
Two somewhat intertwined questions.  I'll ask the second
part first.

I buy transit from Global Crossing and another carrier on
HDLC 
encapsulated DS3's.

Recently my BGP session has started flapping on the GX
circuit... It 
looks something like this:

Jul 21 21:17:43.731 UTC: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: received from
neighbor 
67.17.168.73 6/6 (cease) 0 bytes
Jul 21 21:17:43.731 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Down 
BGP Notification received
Jul 21 21:18:25.439 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Up
Jul 21 21:29:52.315 UTC: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: received from
neighbor 
67.17.168.73 6/6 (cease) 0 bytes
Jul 21 21:29:52.315 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Down 
BGP Notification received
Jul 21 21:30:38.511 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Up
Jul 21 21:31:34.411 UTC: %BGP-3-NOTIFICATION: received from
neighbor 
67.17.168.73 6/6 (cease) 0 bytes
Jul 21 21:31:34.411 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Down 
BGP Notification received
Jul 21 21:32:20.535 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Up
Jul 21 21:32:52.547 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Down 
Peer closed the session
Jul 21 21:33:32.703 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Up

There are no other log entries during the periods when this
occur. 
Unfortunately this causes enough prefix flaps that any
prefixes which 
are preferred through GX are damped for like a half hour by
certain 
providers as my BGP routes get added/withdrawn through the
GX link.

GX claims (although I'm not sure they really know) that
these are caused 
by SONET ring switches.  I can believe this, since I
haven't seen any 
real circuit flaps, and my understanding is that a SONET
switch should 
generally be fast enough that you normally won't see the
transition 
other than perhaps an error counter or two cranking up. 
However, it 
seems strange that I'm getting a 6/6 (cease) notification
which I read 
as "configuration change" from their router.  
GX also seems to be at a 
loss to explain why my BGP is flapping - other than to point
at the 
SONET switches.

I guess I'm trying to find out if someone on the list
recognizes what 
this might be so I can perhaps help GX find and fix this.  
I'm also 
kinda curious as to whether or not typically a SONET ring
switch event 
would actually propagate into a router in such a way that
BGP would try 
to shut down the BGP sessions.   I'm just having a hard
time visualizing 
how a supposedly below-layer-two switch would cause bgp to
reset in this 
manner.  Not being a SONET expert even by any long stretch
of the 
imagination leaves me with some holes here, but I thought
the whole goal 
of SONET when used to provide DS3 circuits was to hide the
ring switches 
as much as possible from the DS3 circuits - realizing that
framing may 
be hard to preserve on a ring switch which would cause
momentary loss of 
sync or similar - which usually shows up as an error instead
of a 
interface flap.

And finally, does anyone have a contact within GX with a
clue?  So far 
I'm not sure I've talked to anyone who knows anything but
how to spell 
BGP.  I'd really like to talk to someone about the real
cause of these 
flaps and try to resolve them so they don't reoccur.

-forrest
Global Crossing Contact / BGP and SONET interaction question
user name
2006-07-26 05:43:31
Forrest:

<snip>

>Recently my BGP session has started flapping on the GX
circuit... It 
>looks something like this:
>
>Jul 21 21:33:32.703 UTC: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor
67.17.168.73 Up
>
>There are no other log entries during the periods when
this occur. 
>Unfortunately this causes enough prefix flaps that any
prefixes which 
>are preferred through GX are damped for like a half hour
by certain 
>providers as my BGP routes get added/withdrawn through
the GX link.

<snip>

I don't have an answer to the root cause of your problem,
and I'm not
looking for a discussion on route dampening (there are
enough debates on
this issue to make your head spin), but may I suggest you
raise your hold
timers to prevent your BGP sessions from going down on short
disturbances as
these?

>-forrest

Randy

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