Collocation Access

Randy Epstein wrote:


> throughout the US.  In recent memory, I can think of
two large collocation
> centers that retain your ID.  One is in Miami and one
in New York (I don't
> think I need to name names, most of you know to which I
refer).  All others
> (including AT&T) have never asked to retain my ID.
> 

I dont mind naming names. telex. I left.

Savvis wants to retain your ID if they issue a cage-key to
you.

Owen

On Dec 27, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:

>
>
>
> Randy Epstein wrote:
>
>
>> throughout the US.  In recent memory, I can think
of two large  
>> collocation
>> centers that retain your ID.  One is in Miami and
one in New York  
>> (I don't
>> think I need to name names, most of you know to
which I refer).   
>> All others
>> (including AT&T) have never asked to retain my
ID.
>
> I dont mind naming names. telex. I left.

Does that equate to a "take it or leave"
standpoint?

Suppose you dont need a key cause your client is already
there?

Owen DeLong wrote:

> 
> Savvis wants to retain your ID if they issue a cage-key
to you.
> 
> Owen
> 
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy Epstein wrote:
>>
>>
>>> throughout the US.  In recent memory, I can
think of two large  
>>> collocation
>>> centers that retain your ID.  One is in Miami
and one in New York  (I 
>>> don't
>>> think I need to name names, most of you know to
which I refer).   All 
>>> others
>>> (including AT&T) have never asked to retain
my ID.
>>
>>
>> I dont mind naming names. telex. I left.
> 
> 
> 

>> throughout the US.  In recent memory, I can think
of two large collocation
>> centers that retain your ID.  One is in Miami and
one in New York (I don't
>> think I need to name names, most of you know to
which I refer).  All others
>> (including AT&T) have never asked to retain my
ID.
> I dont mind naming names. telex. I left.

AT&T's colocation facility in mid town retains your ID.
So do a lot of 
others I've been to. And that happens whether or not they
give you a cage 
key.

-Don

On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 09:06 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Savvis wants to retain your ID if they issue a cage-key
to you.

If they (or others) asked you to let them hold $50 cash to
cover their
key/lock replacement costs would you feel more comfortable?

-Jim P.

> AT&T's colocation facility in mid town retains your
ID. So do a lot of
> others I've been to. And that happens whether or not
they give you a cage
> key.

Maybe this is a recent "feature".  From what I've
seen, AT&T's security
policy differs from site to site, employee to employee, no
matter what they
claim.

> -Don

Randy

On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 09:06 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Savvis wants to retain your ID if they issue a
cage-key to you.
>
> If they (or others) asked you to let them hold $50 cash
to cover their
> key/lock replacement costs would you feel more
comfortable?

Very much so.

I realize this may not be a universally held preference.  I
also  
realize the trouble in having low-paid security guards,
frequently  
"outsourced" so they are not even your employees,
handling cash from  
random people at all hours of the day, night, and weekends. 
But I'd  
much rather lose $50 and argue about getting that back than
my  
passport.  ESPECIALLY since I would only be giving my
passport when I  
am out of the country.

To open a totally separate can-of-worms, why not take my
driver's  
license?  Easier to replace than a passport and much less
trouble  
when crossing borders.  And before someone says "they
don't know what  
a DL from $COUNTRY looks like", realize that they
really don't know  
what a passport looks like either.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

On Dec 27, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:

[...]

> To open a totally separate can-of-worms, why not take
my driver's  
> license?  Easier to replace than a passport and much
less trouble  
> when crossing borders.  And before someone says
"they don't know  
> what a DL from $COUNTRY looks like", realize that
they really don't  
> know what a passport looks like either.

My driving license doesn't have a photograph on it, so using
it as an  
identity document is pointless. Some organisations use it
that way,  
but...

Passports should at least follow the MRTD standard published
by ICAO.  
I suspect the issue is the difficulty with verifying the
authenticity  
of a passport rather than knowing what the passport ought to
look like.

Leo

On Dec 27, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Leo Vegoda wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> To open a totally separate can-of-worms, why not
take my driver's  
>> license?  Easier to replace than a passport and
much less trouble  
>> when crossing borders.  And before someone says
"they don't know  
>> what a DL from $COUNTRY looks like", realize
that they really  
>> don't know what a passport looks like either.
>
> My driving license doesn't have a photograph on it, so
using it as  
> an identity document is pointless. Some organisations
use it that  
> way, but...

Sorry, I thought we were discussing something to be held by
the staff  
to ensure you return an access card.  That does not have to
be the  
same document used to verify identity.  Last time I checked,
the $50  
(or £20, or ¥5000 or whatever) bill didn't have my picture
on it either.

Although I admit the $50 bill gets me into more places than
my DL. ;)

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 12:13:07AM +0100, Leo Vegoda wrote:

 > My driving license doesn't have a photograph on it, so
using it as an  
 > identity document is pointless.

There's no way for a minimum-wage security grunt to verify
the 
particulars of my passport, so using it as an identity
document
is pointless.

Even if they could verify it, my passport says nothing about

whether or not I'm authorized to enter any colocation
facilities,
so using it as an identity document would *still* be
pointless.

Lets keep our eyes on the real issue here, which is that
requiring
handover of an "identity document" usually has
very little to do 
with actual identification.  These places are making you
hand over
something of value to lessen the likelihood that you'll
leave without
following their sign-out procedures.

They're basically using security window-dressing
(identification
requirements) to solve a procedural/business issue.  It
makes no
difference to them whether you hand over your passport,
drivers
license, car keys, marriage license or firstborn son, as
long as
you sign-out and hand back your visitors pass on the way out
of
the building when you're finished.

   - mark

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