Correction, 3ffe:80a::/64 was the old PAIX Palo Alto
exchange address.
BTW, Jeroen does have a valid beef, ipv6 he.net
used to not be handled by
our normal engineering staff. It was somebody's part time
side project.
This has changed with the migration of our IPv6 network into
our core.
Since IPv6 is available via all core routers for customers
on the same
links as their IPv4 connection, all Hurricane network
engineers are now
required to be able take care of issues with it.
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Mike Leber wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > [let me whine again about this one more time...
*sigh*]
> > [guilty parties in cc + public ml's so that every
body sees again that
> > this is being sent to you so that you can't deny
it... *sigh again*]
>
> Actually appreciated, as the only sessions with 3ffe
link addresses (less
> than you can count on one hand) are with networks that
haven't responded
> to previous emails from us to renumber, and hopefully
now something will
> be done. It will all get sorted out anyway as we've
recently completed a
> network wide core router upgrade and moved IPv6 into
our core, and IPv6
> BGP sessions over tunnels are deprecated and being
replaced with native
> sessions. (BTW for observers, he isn't talking about
3ffe prefix
> announcements, he is talking about a left over
3ffe::/127 address used on
> a link.)
>
> BTW, here is our IPv6 peering information for anybody
with a IPv6 BGP
> tunnel with us, we would be happy to migrate you to
native sessions (send
> email to peeringhe.net to get sessions setup):
>
> NAP Status Speed IPv4 IPv6
> --------------- ------- ------- --------------
------------------------
> EQUINIX-ASH UP 10GigE 206.223.115.37
2001:504:0:2::6939:1
> EQUINIX-CHI UP GigE 206.223.119.37
2001:504:0:4::6939:1
> EQUINIX-DAL UP GigE 206.223.118.37
2001:504:0:5::6939:1
> EQUINIX-LAX UP GigE 206.223.123.37
2001:504:0:3::6939:1
> EQUINIX-SJC UP 10GigE 206.223.116.37
2001:504:0:1::6939:1
> LINX UP 10GigE 195.66.224.21
2001:7f8:4:0::1b1b:1
> LINX UP GigE 195.66.226.21
2001:7f8:4:1::1b1b:2
> LoNAP UP GigE 193.203.5.128
2001:7f8:17::1b1b:1
> AMS-IX UP 10GigE 195.69.145.150
2001:7f8:1::a500:6939:1
> NL-IX UP GigE 194.153.154.14
2001:7f8:13::a500:6939:1
> PAIX Palo Alto UP 10GigE 198.32.176.20
2001:504:d::10
> NYIIX UP 10GigE 198.32.160.61
2001:504:1::a500:6939:1
> LAIIX UP GigE 198.32.146.50
2001:504:a::a500:6939:1
> PAIX New York PENDING
> DE-CIX PENDING
> NOTA PENDING
> SIX PENDING
>
>
> > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> > >
> > > On 30-mei-2007, at 13:23, Nathan Ward wrote:
> > >
> > >>> I can't seem to reach www.ietf.org
over IPv6 these days and I have to
> > >>> wait 10 seconds before I fall back to
IPv4.
> > [..]
> >
> > > I think what's going on is that packets from
www.ietf.org don't make it
> > > back to my ISP. A ping6 or traceroute6
doesn't show any ICMP errors and
> > > TCP sessions don't connect so it's not a
PMTUD problem. So it's an
> > > actual timeout.
> >
> > I also just started noticing this, that is, that
it does not work. And
> > there is a very simple explanation for this: 6bone
space.
> >
> > As a lot of people might recall, the 6bone was
shutdown on 6/6/6.
> > Still there are folks who are definitely not
running anything
> > operational or who care at all about the state of
their network, if
> > they did they would not be using it now would
they?
> >
> > As this is what I found on the way from $US ->
$IE
> >
> > 7 2001:470:0:1f::2 112.131 ms 108.949 ms
108.316 ms
> > 8 2001:470:0:9::2 109.864 ms 112.767 ms
111.586 ms
> > 9 3ffe:80a::c 111.118 ms 86.010 ms 86.648 ms
> > 10 2001:450:2001:1000:0:670:1708:1225 193.914 ms
194.640 ms 194.976 ms
> >
> > And what do we see: 6bone space and still in use.
> >
> > As a lot of places correctly filter it out, the
PMTU's get dropped, as
> > they are supposed to be dropped.
>
> Just the same as you would expect to see if somebody
was using 10.0.0.0/8
> address space for a link. Similarly discouraged,
though done on occasion.
>
> > The whois.6bone.net registry is fun of course:
> >
> > inet6num: 3FFE:800::/24
> > netname: ISI-LAP
> > descr: Harry Try IPv6
> > country: CA
> >
> > Fortunately it still also has:
> >
> > ipv6-site: ISI-LAP
> > origin: AS4554
> > descr: LAP-EXCHANGE
> > Los Angeles
> > country: US
> >
> > Which matches what GRH has on list for it: Bill.
> >
> > Now I have a very very very simple question:
> >
> > Can you folks finally, a year after the 6bone was
supposed to be
> > completely gone, renumber from out that 6bone
address space that you
> > are not supposed to use anymore?
> >
> > That most likely will resolve the issues that a
lot of people are
> > seeing. Or should there be another 6/6/7 date
which states that
> > de-peering networks which are still
announcing/forwarding 6bone space
> > should become into effect?
>
> Would you similarly disconnect a nonresponsive customer
because they used
> a /30 from RFC1918 space on a point to point link with
you?
>
> BTW, I do agree that the links involved should be
renumbered immediately.
>
> Considering we are in the business of providing
connectivity, the thought
> of tearing down the session as opposed to gracefully
getting rid of them
> didn't cross our mind.
>
> > Of course, Neustar, who are hosting www.ietf.org,
might also want to
> > look for a couple of extra transit providers who
can provide them with
> > real connectivity to the rest of the world.
>
> That won't renumber Bill Manning's links if that is the
problem you are
> trying to fix.
>
> If somebody helps Bill with his IPv6 config, please
remove the 3ffe prefix
> announcement as it is still there, we just happen to be
filtering it.
>
> Mike.
>
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