Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

* Mike Lewinski:

> Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> I don't know what case prompted Ferg to post his
message to NANOG, but I
>> know that there are cases where failing to act is
comparable to ignoring
>> the screams for help of an "alleged" rape
victim during the "alleged"
>> crime.
>
> I'm reminded of this story from earlier this year:
>
> ht
tp://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=568400
>
> "For his effort, Van Iveren was charged with
criminal trespass while
> using a dangerous weapon, criminal damage to property
while using a
> dangerous weapon and disorderly conduct while using a
dangerous
> weapon, all criminal misdemeanors that carry a maximum
total penalty
> of 33 months in jail."

That guy was no foreigner to the local police, apparently. 
I couldn't
find anything regarding the outcome of his court appearance.
 Of course,
if you run to the help of those in apparent need, you always
risk
looking very stupid.

Anyway, if you've got a customer account that was created
with a stolen
credit card, and you get complaints about activity on that
account from
various parties, and you still don't act, this shows a
rather
significant level of carelessness.  The other side of the
story is that
it takes months to get local police to forward the criminal
complaint to
state police, and state police to issue an order for
seizure, even in
areas of Germany where I thought we had pretty good LE
coverage.

Florian Weimer wrote:

> Anyway, if you've got a customer account that was
created with a stolen
> credit card, and you get complaints about activity on
that account from
> various parties, and you still don't act, this shows a
rather
> significant level of carelessness.  The other side of
the story is that
> it takes months to get local police to forward the
criminal complaint to
> state police, and state police to issue an order for
seizure, even in
> areas of Germany where I thought we had pretty good LE
coverage.

We also can't discount the possibility the
"unresponsive" ISP is 
cooperating (willfully or not) with a police sting operation
and can't 
respond in any way at all, for fear of jeopardizing it.

Though I still say a year is likely too long.