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| Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
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2007-10-19 13:50:49 |
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/te
chnology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination.html
http://www.nytimes.com/aponl
ine/technology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination-Tests.html
Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
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| RE: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
 
United States |
2007-10-19 14:01:51 |
This is old news man, that's been happening for at least 3
months now.
Clinton Popovich
Systems Administrator
Nauticom Internet Services - An NPSI Company
2591 Wexford-Bayne Road, Suite 400
Sewickley, PA 15143
Tel: 724-933-9540
Fax: 724-933-9888
Email: crpopovi nauticom.net
Web: http://www.nauticom.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanogmerit.edu [mailto:owner-nanogmerit.edu] On Behalf Of
Steven M. Bellovin
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:51 PM
To: nanognanog.org
Subject: Comcast blocking p2p uploads
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination.ht
ml
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination-Te
sts.html
Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
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2007-10-19 14:10:45 |
I love how the framed it as "data discrimination".
Let's just be
honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far more
than their
fair share of bandwidth.
On 10/19/07, Steven M. Bellovin <smbcs.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/te
chnology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponl
ine/technology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination-Tests.html
>
> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
>
>
> --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
>
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:20:18 |
On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
> Discrimination.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
> Discrimination-Tests.html
>
> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
"Argghhh" that they are doing it?
Or "argghhh" that people are just now figuring it
out?
And did you "arrgghhh" when rate limiting became
commonplace about,
oh, 1865? 
--
TTFN,
patrick
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| RE: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:25:19 |
Who are we to say what is illegal traffic... I mean they
could be
downloading anything from p2p not just mp3's.. don't get me
wrong I HATE WoW
but it uses bittorrent to decentralize its updates.
Clinton Popovich
Systems Administrator
Nauticom Internet Services - An NPSI Company
2591 Wexford-Bayne Road, Suite 400
Sewickley, PA 15143
Tel: 724-933-9540
Fax: 724-933-9888
Email: crpopovinauticom.net
Web: http://www.nauticom.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanogmerit.edu [mailto:owner-nanogmerit.edu] On Behalf Of John
C. A. Bambenek
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Steven M. Bellovin
Cc: nanognanog.org
Subject: Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads
I love how the framed it as "data discrimination".
Let's just be
honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far more
than their
fair share of bandwidth.
On 10/19/07, Steven M. Bellovin <smbcs.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination.ht
ml
>
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination-Te
sts.html
>
> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
>
>
> --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
>
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:29:30 |
John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
> I love how the framed it as "data
discrimination". Let's just be
> honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far
more than their
> fair share of bandwidth.
With the remaining 1% being Linux ISOs.
I wonder what happens to these network police appliances
(Sandvine,
Packeteer etc) when the P2Ps implement encryption and tunnel
it all over
443/tcp?
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
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2007-10-19 14:35:44 |
Well, as far as I'm concerned WoW can burn and get blocked
with the
rest of the bad traffic because they are externalizing
their
maintenance costs on others. They should pay for the
bandwidth to
update their own software.
On 10/19/07, Clinton Popovich <crpopovinauticom.net> wrote:
> Who are we to say what is illegal traffic... I mean
they could be
> downloading anything from p2p not just mp3's.. don't
get me wrong I HATE WoW
> but it uses bittorrent to decentralize its updates.
>
> Clinton Popovich
> Systems Administrator
> Nauticom Internet Services - An NPSI Company
> 2591 Wexford-Bayne Road, Suite 400
> Sewickley, PA 15143
> Tel: 724-933-9540
> Fax: 724-933-9888
> Email: crpopovinauticom.net
> Web: http://www.nauticom.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanogmerit.edu [mailto:owner-nanogmerit.edu] On Behalf Of John
> C. A. Bambenek
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Steven M. Bellovin
> Cc: nanognanog.org
> Subject: Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads
>
>
> I love how the framed it as "data
discrimination". Let's just be
> honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far
more than their
> fair share of bandwidth.
>
> On 10/19/07, Steven M. Bellovin <smbcs.columbia.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination.ht
> ml
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/tech
nology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discrimination-Te
> sts.html
> >
> > Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
> >
> >
> > --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
> >
>
>
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:34:52 |
On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:10 PM, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
> I love how the framed it as "data
discrimination". Let's just be
> honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far
more than their
> fair share of bandwidth.
I didn't know that you doing something illegal with your
application
made it OK to block my use of it.
Also, what _is_ my "fair share of bandwidth"?
--
TTFN,
patrick
P.S. I am making absolutely no judgement on whether block is
good or
bad. Just wondering how other people rationalize doing, or
not
doing, these types of things.
> On 10/19/07, Steven M. Bellovin <smbcs.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
>> Discrimination.html
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
>> Discrimination-Tests.html
>>
>> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
>>
>>
>> --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbi
a.edu/~smb
>>
>
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:38:05 |
3:20pm Patrick W. Gilmore said:
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
>> http:
//www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discri
mination.html
>> http:
//www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast-Data-Discri
mination-Tests.html
>>
>> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
>
> "Argghhh" that they are doing it?
>
> Or "argghhh" that people are just now
figuring it out?
>
> And did you "arrgghhh" when rate limiting
became commonplace about, oh, 1865?
>
>
It would be sad if one of the leaders in deploying IPv6 was
now motivated
to maintain the status-quo; with its IPv4 RST meddling
"feature". :-(
../C
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| Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads |
United States |
2007-10-19 14:37:16 |
I was hearing complaints about this months ago...
Regards
Marshall
On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
>> Discrimination.html
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Comcast
-Data-
>> Discrimination-Tests.html
>>
>> Not a lot more I can say, other than argghhh!
>
> "Argghhh" that they are doing it?
>
> Or "argghhh" that people are just now
figuring it out?
>
> And did you "arrgghhh" when rate limiting
became commonplace about,
> oh, 1865?
>
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
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