Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM
-0400, David Andersen wrote:
> The Washington Post article claims that:
[snip]
> 
> b)  Fresh new wire installed after WWII
> 

I have to wonder what percentage of the population is using
phone
lines installed before WWII?

I live in a suburb that didn't exist 20 years ago other than
maybe
50 buildings around the train depot.  My neighborhood did
not exist
10 years ago, it was a cow pasture.  Where's all this old
cable?

While I'm sure you can find some row houses in $big_city
that have
old copper I find it hard to believe that "pre WWII
wire" is holding
us back.  Wasn't it Sprint back in like 1982 or 1984 made a
big
deal about their entire long haul network being converted to
fiber?

In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:44:34PM
-0500, Frank Bulk wrote:
> A lot of the MDUs and apartment buildings in Japan are
doing fiber to the
> basement and then VDSL or VDSL2 in the building, or
even Ethernet.  That's
> how symmetrical bandwidth is possible.  Considering
that much of the
> population does not live in high-rises, this doesn't
easily apply to the
> U.S. population.

While the US does not have as high a percentage in high
rises, let's
look at the part that is "in the right place".

What percentage of US high rises have fiber to the basement
and
high speed Internet offered to residents?  Shouldn't NYC be
on par
with Tokyo by this point?  Chicago?  Miami?

Doesn't the same model work for low rise apartments, the
kind found
in suburbia all across the US?  Why don't any of them have
building
provided services, rather relying on cable modems for ADSL
all the way
back to the CO?

Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? 
Greenfield should
be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and
the like
should be eager to offer it; but don't.

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On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:

> In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM
-0400,  
> David Andersen wrote:
>> The Washington Post article claims that:
> [snip]
>>
>> b)  Fresh new wire installed after WWII
>>
>
> I have to wonder what percentage of the population is
using phone
> lines installed before WWII?
>
> I live in a suburb that didn't exist 20 years ago other
than maybe
> 50 buildings around the train depot.  My neighborhood
did not exist
> 10 years ago, it was a cow pasture.  Where's all this
old cable?
>
> While I'm sure you can find some row houses in
$big_city that have
> old copper I find it hard to believe that "pre
WWII wire" is holding
> us back.  Wasn't it Sprint back in like 1982 or 1984
made a big
> deal about their entire long haul network being
converted to fiber?
>
> In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:44:34PM
-0500,  
> Frank Bulk wrote:
>> A lot of the MDUs and apartment buildings in Japan
are doing fiber  
>> to the
>> basement and then VDSL or VDSL2 in the building, or
even  
>> Ethernet.  That's
>> how symmetrical bandwidth is possible.  Considering
that much of the
>> population does not live in high-rises, this
doesn't easily apply  
>> to the
>> U.S. population.

Ever been in an earthquake in Japan? The population density
is indeed  
much higher, but it's not primarily because of concentration
in very  
large highrises, but rather because of much smaller
floorspace per  
capita, and no yards to speak of.

You're mixing JP up with places like HK and KR...

TV

> While the US does not have as high a percentage in high
rises, let's
> look at the part that is "in the right
place".
>
> What percentage of US high rises have fiber to the
basement and
> high speed Internet offered to residents?  Shouldn't
NYC be on par
> with Tokyo by this point?  Chicago?  Miami?
>
> Doesn't the same model work for low rise apartments,
the kind found
> in suburbia all across the US?  Why don't any of them
have building
> provided services, rather relying on cable modems for
ADSL all the way
> back to the CO?
>
> Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? 
Greenfield should
> be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex
and the like
> should be eager to offer it; but don't.
>
> -- 
>        Leo Bicknell - bicknellufp.org - CCIE 3440
>         PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bic
knell/
> Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-requesttmbg.org,
www.tmbg.org

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On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell
wrote:
> Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? 
Greenfield should
> be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex
and the like
> should be eager to offer it; but don't.

Well, Verizon seems to be making heavy bets on replacing
significant
chunks of old copper plant with FTTH.  Here's a recent FiOS
announcement:

  Linkname: Verizon discovers symmetry, offers 20/20
symmetrical FiOS service
  URL: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071023-verizon-disc
overs-symmetry-offers-2020-symmetrical-fios-service.html


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