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RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)
country flaguser name
Ireland
2007-10-24 09:58:15

On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> > Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today?  Greenfield should
> > be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like
>; > should be eager to offer it; but don't.
>
> Well, Verizon seems to be making heavy bets on replacing significant
> chunks of old copper plant with FTTH. ; Here's a recent FiOS announcement:
>
;  Linkname: Verizon discovers symmetry, offers 20/20 symmetrical FiOS
>; service URL:
>; http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071023-verizon-discovers-symmetry-of
>fers-2020-symmetrical-fios-service.html

 While probably more "good" than "bad", it is my understanding that when
Verizon (and others) provide FTTH (fiber to the home) they "cut" or
physically disconnect all other connections to that residence.....  so much
for any "choice"...

Exactly. And because they installed fiber, the FCC has ruled that they do not have to provide unbundled network elements to competitors.

I expect that when you look at the population of broadband users, it is only a tiny percentage that really need fiber to their residence.

Let's remember that one of the main reasons that broadband displaced dial up was that it is always available and does not interfer with phone service.

- R.



RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)
country flaguser name
United States
2007-10-24 13:11:49
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Rod Beck wrote:

> On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo
Bicknell wrote:
>>> Why are no major us builders installing FTTH
today?  Greenfield should
>>> be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte,
Centex and the like
>>> should be eager to offer it; but don't.
>>
>> Well, Verizon seems to be making heavy bets on
replacing significant
>> chunks of old copper plant with FTTH.  Here's a
recent FiOS announcement:
>>
>>   Linkname: Verizon discovers symmetry, offers
20/20 symmetrical FiOS
>> service URL:
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/
20071023-verizon-discovers-symmetry-of
>> fers-2020-symmetrical-fios-service.html
>
> While probably more "good" than
"bad", it is my understanding that when
> Verizon (and others) provide FTTH (fiber to the home)
they "cut" or
> physically disconnect all other connections to that
residence.....  so much
> for any "choice"...
>
> Exactly. And because they installed fiber, the FCC has
ruled that they 
> do not have to provide unbundled network elements to
competitors.

It's this last bit that seems to be leading to lots of
complaints, and 
it's the earlier pricing of "unbundled network
elements" at or above the 
cost of complete service packages that many CLECs and
competitive ISPs 
blamed for their demise.  Some like to see big conspiracies
here, but I'm 
not convinced that it wasn't just a matter of bad planning
on the parts of 
the ISPs and CLECs, perhaps brought on by bad incentives in
the law.

The US government decided there should be a competitive
market for phone 
services.  They were concerned about the big advantage in
already built 
out infrastructure the incumbent phone companies had --
infrastructure 
that had been built with money from their monopolies -- so
they required 
them to "share."  This meant it was pretty easy to
start a DSL company 
that used the ILEC's copper, but seemed to provide little
incentive for 
new telecom companies to build their own last mile
infrastructure.  Once 
the ILECs caught on to the importance of this new Internet
thing, that 
meant the ISPs and the new phone companies were entirely
dependent on 
their biggest competitor for services they needed to keep
functioning. 
The new providers were vulnerable on all sorts of fronts
controlled by 
their established competitors -- pricing, installation
procedures, service 
quality, repair times, service availability, etc.  The
failure of the new 
entrants seems almost inevitable, and given that they hadn't
actually 
built any infrastructure, they didn't leave behind much of
anything for 
those with better plans to buy out of bankruptcy.

I don't think this was what was intended.  My impression is
that the 
wholesale copper was supposed to be a temporary bridge to
allow the new 
entrants time to build infrastructure of their own.  That's
why the rules 
about sharing didn't apply to infrastructure built by the
ILECs later. 
But new entrants building their own infrastructure generally
didn't 
happen.  Instead, the end-user ISP operators I was dealing
with at the 
time generally seemed outraged that the evil phone
companies, which should 
have been there to sell wholesale services to them, were
instead competing 
in their markets.  Unfortunately for them, the phone
companies not only 
undercut them on cost, but generally built better networks. 
Given the 
impending obsolescence of the phone companies' traditional
businesses, what 
else would the phone companies have been expected to do?

The exception to this was the cable companies.  They already
had some 
physical plant of their own, but they invested a lot of
money in a lot of 
new construction.  Many of them didn't do financially well
on the deals, 
but even those who ran out of money left behind
infrastructure that is now 
effectively competing.

This isn't to say the original encouragement of CLECs using
ILEC copper in 
the 1996 telecommunications act wasn't without benefits.  I
rather doubt 
the ILECs would have gotten as interested in DSL as they
did, if there 
hadn't been the threat of losing the business to
competition.  But given 
that improvements in speed since the initial crushing of the
upstarts have 
been mostly limited to trying to match the capabilities of
the cable 
companies, perhaps it wasn't the best strategy for the long
term.  If 
those who want to compete need to build some infrastructure
of their own, 
and if anybody is successful in doing so, that should have a
much bigger 
impact in terms of putting long term pressure on the ILECs
to provide 
better service.

-Steve

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