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Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity
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2008-02-28 00:56:32


On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Frank Bulk - iNAME < frnkblkiname.com">frnkblkiname.com> wrote:

To keep this OT as much as possible, my question is if a mesh-configuration
of backup routes (where one link could provide 'protection' for many) would
be considered a sufficient replacement for SONET rings, or if the Qwest CTO
is really trying to get out of providing sub 50-msec protected loops and
encouraging L3 and above protection schemes, so that they can even further
over-subscribe their network.

Frank


UU/MFS tried running IP on the 'protect'; path of their SONET rings 10 years ago. It didn't work then.

More seriously, you *can* avoid using protected links for IP (which is what Qwest seems to suggest) easily, and allegedly using MPLS/FRR you could have sub-second reroute times without having full dedicated protect path.

Building your network on preemptable links (the protect-side) as UU did back in the day is probably of the "I encourage my competitors to do this" solutions.

Paul "Selling more grillz than George Foreman&quot; Wall
Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity
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2008-02-28 07:39:45

On 28-Feb-2008, at 01:56, Paul Wall wrote:

> UU/MFS tried running IP on the 'protect' path of their
SONET rings  
> 10 years ago. It didn't work then.

Well, it works so long as whoever was trying to troubleshoot
the  
circuits at 3am on US Thanksgiving understands that having
the system  
"switch to protect" is quite bad, in the sense
that it causes both  
sides to go down at once (I seem to remember there was a
protect paths  
built for each side of the original ring using a loopback).

Other than the unfamiliarity with the concept demonstrated
by phone  
companies, I didn't notice any great fundamental problem
with the  
idea. The extra 10G of capacity across the Atlantic was
arguably more  
useful in the grand scheme of things than the being able to
recover  
from a single-point failure at SONET speeds. It's probably
fair to say  
there's more real-time traffic on the network today than
there was  
then, however.

I have never worked for UU/MFS, lest anybody draw that
conclusion.


Joe


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