NXDOMAIN data needed for survey

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:45:30AM -0700, Tomas L. Byrnes
wrote:
> BTW: If someone legitimate needs NXDOMAIN data, I do
have a bunch. 

If anyone else is interesting in a concerted effort to
provide
falsified data, I'm interested in helping and hosting.


-- 
Ross Vandegrift
rosskallisti.us

"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians,
and all those who
make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the
mathematicians
have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and
to confine
man in the bonds of Hell."
	--St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37

>
>  I think it's best that we let David Ulevitch and the
crew  OpenDNS make
>  the money that is to be made off this. He's doing good
while doing well.

Why shouldn't anyone be able to "make the money"?
The problem with
that post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking, it was
that it's
a marketing missive and inconsistent with community norms,
IMHO. That
doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly doesn't
mean it's ok
for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit and one
unknown not to.
Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data
creates
unfairness in the system and it should be all or none.

What you really want to look at is privacy policy. Not all
of the good
guys are actually good guys in that respect.

>
>  BTW: If someone legitimate needs NXDOMAIN data, I do
have a bunch.
>

How much are you charging?

-M<

[ disclaimer: i work for opendns. ]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:15PM -0400, Martin Hannigan
wrote:
> >  I think it's best that we let David Ulevitch and
the crew  OpenDNS make
> >  the money that is to be made off this. He's doing
good while doing well.
> 
> Why shouldn't anyone be able to "make the
money"? The problem with
> that post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking,
it was that it's
> a marketing missive and inconsistent with community
norms, IMHO. That
> doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly
doesn't mean it's ok
> for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit
and one unknown not to.
> Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data
creates
> unfairness in the system and it should be all or none.

now that our name has been brought into this, i think it's
only fair to
say: the NXDOMAIN data we know about is when a user's
resolver asks our
recursive servers for a record and NXDOMAIN is the end
result of what
our resolvers discover.

at that point, we optionally point you at a lander page w/
search results
and ads and all that jazz based on the words in the record
you [mis-]typed.
note the optionally. if you want, we'll just return
NXDOMAIN. you can
configure this. you can configure it per-ip, per-prefix,
etc.

now, on to what we do or could do with that data:

we do not sell and have never sold NXDOMAIN data. nor do we
register
domains based on NXDOMAIN information. the non-OpenDNS
company who sees
the original request that produced the NXDOMAIN that failed
(which may
or may not even be a valid hostname) is our advertising
partner.

they get that data after we've transformed the original
request into
their API to send to them as keywords so they may return
appropriate and
relevant ads.

so, to recap:
nope, we don't sell NXDOMAIN data. we don't sell any other
data either.
yes, some revenue comes from typos/mistakes. you knew that
already.
yes, you can even change that behavior and just get
NXDOMAIN.
  that means your typos gain us nothing. you get our service
for free.
yes, you opt-in to our service in the first place.
yes, we have a privacy policy that says this better than i
can.

> What you really want to look at is privacy policy. Not
all of the good
> guys are actually good guys in that respect.

http://www.opendns.co
m/privacy/

it looks pretty good to me. i read it before i agreed to
employment.

-- billf >at< opendns.com // opendns network
engineering

p.s. since i rarely if ever post, i have to make the
shameless, shameless
     plug: <peeringopendns.com>. we're in peeringdb too.

Ray Demain wrote:

> Isn't it funny though that OpenDNS is funded by the
same group who 
> funded Paxfire?

It might seem weird to you, but it's very common.  Once VC
has done the 
due diligence in a space they are more likely to invest in
another 
company doing something in a related space, for better or
worse.

> OpenDNS can be an angel on one shoulder while Paxfire
is on the other, 
> right?

Your inference is unfounded.

-David Ulevitch

ps: End of this thread for me.  It was dumb to begin with
and despite 
the flaming, I'm sure a bunch of netops wrote back to the
guy offering 
to sell NXDOMAIN data. Giving it more airtime is a waste of
bits.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:09 PM, bill fumerola
<billfmu.org> wrote:
> [ disclaimer: i work for opendns. ]
>
>
>  On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:15PM -0400, Martin
Hannigan wrote:

[ snip ]

>  so, to recap:
>  nope, we don't sell NXDOMAIN data. we don't sell any
other data either.

I don't think that policy includes derivative works. If you
are saying
that you don't sell any data at all, feel free to say that.

-M<