Local Loop Install.

I personally don't see how it would be unreasonable to ask
for something 
  if they want to use your space that you're paying for.
Myself I would 
ask for the discount on service and also try to get the
install waived 
or at least reduced.

-ag

Robert Sherrard wrote:
> I've got an interesting question / situation...
> 
> I've got a local loop provider that we're looking at
using for some 
> fiber connectivity. The long story is that there’s no
real great place 
> for them to place their gear in the entire building,
sort of paying rent 
> to the landlord, placing gear in our suite, or placing
gear in an 
> uncontrolled room , i.e. no cooling, no controlled
access. This 
> “local-loop” provider is asking to place this gear into
our space… while 
> this gear is to provide us with fiber connectivity back
to a carrier 
> hotel; they’re also looking to service other tenants in
our building. It 
> is unrealistic to ask this provider for some sort of a
kickback, or 
> monthly discount on service? They’re hitting us up for
an install fee, 
> maybe they could waive that? Anyone have some thoughts
on this? Am I 
> being unrealistic in thinking that, if they are going
to profit by 
> having gear in our space, we should expect to see a
small return or 
> favor? The only other option for them is to spend money
and lease a 
> small room, or modify an existing smaller room in the
building to fit 
> their needs.
> 
> Rob
> 

Also bear in mind that after your lease expires, they might
could  
very well be SOL if the new tenant decides "I don't
want telco  
monstronsity in the space I'm paying for", and
they'd have every  
right to simply rip it out (and possibly keep it, depending
on your  
area's local landlord/tenant laws, as it would be
considered  
"abandoned by the former tenant" [you]).

I'm not sure if you want to remind them of that, but I
think it'd be  
good form for full disclosure, since they might get dozens
of  
customers dependent on that hardware and suddenly have
nowhere to put  
it if you ever decide to leave.

Cheers,
D


On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Aaron Gagnier wrote:

>
> I personally don't see how it would be unreasonable to
ask for  
> something  if they want to use your space that you're
paying for.  
> Myself I would ask for the discount on service and also
try to get  
> the install waived or at least reduced.
>
> -ag
>
> Robert Sherrard wrote:
>> I've got an interesting question / situation...
>> I've got a local loop provider that we're looking
at using for  
>> some fiber connectivity. The long story is that
there’s no real  
>> great place for them to place their gear in the
entire building,  
>> sort of paying rent to the landlord, placing gear
in our suite, or  
>> placing gear in an uncontrolled room , i.e. no
cooling, no  
>> controlled access. This “local-loop” provider is
asking to place  
>> this gear into our space… while this gear is to
provide us with  
>> fiber connectivity back to a carrier hotel; they’re
also looking  
>> to service other tenants in our building. It is
unrealistic to ask  
>> this provider for some sort of a kickback, or
monthly discount on  
>> service? They’re hitting us up for an install fee,
maybe they  
>> could waive that? Anyone have some thoughts on
this? Am I being  
>> unrealistic in thinking that, if they are going to
profit by  
>> having gear in our space, we should expect to see a
small return  
>> or favor? The only other option for them is to
spend money and  
>> lease a small room, or modify an existing smaller
room in the  
>> building to fit their needs.
>> Rob

--

Derek J. Balling
Systems Administrator
Vassar College
124 Raymond Ave
Box 13 - Computer Center 217
Poughkeepsie, NY 12604
(845) 437-7231

So, back in 1999 I'm working for this small ISP that
decides they  
want to become a colo player and open a datacenter in White
Plains,  
NY. We spend large amount of time with commercial
real-estate people  
to find a building with a: some space and b: fiber into the
building.

Eventually real estate person calls about a  a suitable
building  
(lots of power, cooling and space -- and a large fiber mux
in the  
basement) -- the previous tenant had just vacated the
building...

We rush over and have a look... The building look great,
nice  
location, generators and even has a large area with raised
floor, but  
we cannot find where the fiber comes in, nor the demarc
area...
We call up the telco (Nynex at the time) and ask where this
magic  
fiber is... The guy on the phone mumbles something about
some room in  
the basement. We go have a look and find nothing, so we call
him back  
-- he get annoyed and says he was the installer and is sure
it is   
down there -- we have yet another look and nothing, so we
call him  
again... He starts sounding REALLY frustrated and says he
will be  
right over to show us where it is... 10 minutes later he
arrives and  
storms into the building, muttering under his breath about
stupid  
customers being so blind that the cannot find 2 racks worth
of  
equipment...

We follow him down into the basement and he strides across
to one of  
the room and throws open the door, saying "Look, you
see, its over  
here -- uh --- what?! Where did it go?!"
Against the back wall there 1/2 an inch of conduit sticking
through  
the wall -- we shine a flashlight down it and around 2 feet
into the  
conduit we can just see a bit of cable...

Turns out when the previous tenant left, they abandoned some
metal  
desks and the like in the building -- the building owner
called in a  
scrap metal company and paid them to "cart all of this
junk away" --  
it would appear that sometime a large fiber mux looks like
junk....

The sad part of this story (from our point!) is that
rerunning the  
fiber would have involved retrenching across the busiest
street in  
the city and so wouldn't be able to happen for  10-12
months -- thus  
ended our colo plans...

Warren

On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:

> Also bear in mind that after your lease expires, they
might could  
> very well be SOL if the new tenant decides "I
don't want telco  
> monstronsity in the space I'm paying for", and
they'd have every  
> right to simply rip it out (and possibly keep it,
depending on your  
> area's local landlord/tenant laws, as it would be
considered  
> "abandoned by the former tenant" [you]).
>
> I'm not sure if you want to remind them of that, but I
think it'd  
> be good form for full disclosure, since they might get
dozens of  
> customers dependent on that hardware and suddenly have
nowhere to  
> put it if you ever decide to leave.
>
> Cheers,
> D
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Aaron Gagnier wrote:
>
>>
>> I personally don't see how it would be
unreasonable to ask for  
>> something  if they want to use your space that
you're paying for.  
>> Myself I would ask for the discount on service and
also try to get  
>> the install waived or at least reduced.
>>
>> -ag
>>
>> Robert Sherrard wrote:
>>> I've got an interesting question /
situation...
>>> I've got a local loop provider that we're
looking at using for  
>>> some fiber connectivity. The long story is that
there’s no real  
>>> great place for them to place their gear in the
entire building,  
>>> sort of paying rent to the landlord, placing
gear in our suite,  
>>> or placing gear in an uncontrolled room , i.e.
no cooling, no  
>>> controlled access. This “local-loop” provider
is asking to place  
>>> this gear into our space… while this gear is to
provide us with  
>>> fiber connectivity back to a carrier hotel;
they’re also looking  
>>> to service other tenants in our building. It is
unrealistic to  
>>> ask this provider for some sort of a kickback,
or monthly  
>>> discount on service? They’re hitting us up for
an install fee,  
>>> maybe they could waive that? Anyone have some
thoughts on this?  
>>> Am I being unrealistic in thinking that, if
they are going to  
>>> profit by having gear in our space, we should
expect to see a  
>>> small return or favor? The only other option
for them is to spend  
>>> money and lease a small room, or modify an
existing smaller room  
>>> in the building to fit their needs.
>>> Rob
>
> --
>
> Derek J. Balling
> Systems Administrator
> Vassar College
> 124 Raymond Ave
> Box 13 - Computer Center 217
> Poughkeepsie, NY 12604
> (845) 437-7231
>
>

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