CentOS

larry wrote:

>Would I give up Ubuntu for it(CentOS)? Nope.
>  
>

I suppose you know already that Ubuntu is working on a
server version.

>I still wonder how either CentOS or RedHat are going to
be viable as a desktop.
>  
>
The desktop is not very well served by any OS.  KDE is
making moves in 
the right direction by making KDE the desktop with minimal
underlying OS 
functionality.  Xandros, because of its close KDE ties,
could do the 
same thing

>And if I were RedHat, I would find a way to poison the
pudding for CentOS.
>  
>
Now, Larry, that is a mean thing to say and goes totally
against the 
FOSS spirit.  If Red Hat doesn't want to play in the FOSS
sandbox, it 
has all the freedom in the world to leave.   Throwing sand
in other 
"kid's" eyes is what Bill Gates has been accused
of.   We don't need 
anymore sandbox bullies.

Henry Keultjes
Mansfield


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Henry Keultjes wrote:

> larry wrote:
>
>> Would I give up Ubuntu for it(CentOS)? Nope.
>>  
>>
>
> I suppose you know already that Ubuntu is working on a
server version.
>
>> I still wonder how either CentOS or RedHat are
going to be viable as 
>> a desktop.
>>  
>>
> The desktop is not very well served by any OS.  KDE is
making moves in 
> the right direction by making KDE the desktop with
minimal underlying 
> OS functionality.  Xandros, because of its close KDE
ties, could do 
> the same thing
>
>> And if I were RedHat, I would find a way to poison
the pudding for 
>> CentOS.
>>  
>>
> Now, Larry, that is a mean thing to say and goes
totally against the 
> FOSS spirit.  If Red Hat doesn't want to play in the
FOSS sandbox, it 
> has all the freedom in the world to leave.   Throwing
sand in other 
> "kid's" eyes is what Bill Gates has been
accused of.   We don't need 
> anymore sandbox bullies.
>
> Henry Keultjes
> Mansfield
>
>
Has had a server verson for a long time... I've run it since
4.10.

With all due respect, FOSS is one of the best free markets
around.  Each 
player, while bound by the GPL can and should do everything
they can to 
get ahead.  CentOS is just standing on RedHat's coat tails
yelling 
"MUSH!"  That's not the spirit of FOSS.

Mike K.

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On Mon, January 23, 2006 11:42 am, MrKnisely said:

> Has had a server verson for a long time... I've run it
since 4.10.

Henry is right, they are working on a "real"
server version.

-- 
"Life is too short, to spend it waiting for slow
hardware to do
something..."  -Dev

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Redhat is a company, and they are not playing, they are
trying to make $.
(And succeeding.) They  started their journey away from FOSS
a long time
ago. And they are definitely following Microsoft's example.

On Mon, January 23, 2006 8:03 am, Henry Keultjes said:

> Now, Larry, that is a mean thing to say and goes
totally against the
> FOSS spirit.  If Red Hat doesn't want to play in the
FOSS sandbox, it
> has all the freedom in the world to leave.   Throwing
sand in other
> "kid's" eyes is what Bill Gates has been
accused of.   We don't need
> anymore sandbox bullies.


-- 
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hardware to do
something..."  -Dev

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Larry D wrote:

>Redhat is a company, and they are not playing, they are
trying to make $.
>(And succeeding.) They  started their journey away from
FOSS a long time
>ago. And they are definitely following Microsoft's
example.
>  
>

Larry:

Now you understand that I don't like YDL because it is based
on RH.  
Somewhat unrelated, the Solaris (Polaris) port to PPC is a
tremendous 
asset to our EKP project but we are also a good resource to
Polaris 
because we figured out where some of the other PPC assets,
besides YDL, 
were.

Henry Keultjes
Mansfield

About my putting my name and city here.  Think about
visiting a church 
or a ham group for the first time and nobody introduced
themselves.  If 
we introduce ourselves on this list we may find more people
attracted to 
joining us.

>  
>
>  
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Larry D wrote:

>On Mon, January 23, 2006 11:42 am, MrKnisely said:
>
>  
>
>>Has had a server verson for a long time... I've run
it since 4.10.
>>    
>>
>
>Henry is right, they are working on a "real"
server version.
>
>  
>
What I'm saying is that one exists now.  I'm using it to run
my 
Counter-Strike server at home and it is quite functional. 
Not to 
mention lean. (No, X isn't installed.)

The good people of Ubuntu also have another
"Server" version already 
available.  It is in the form of Edubuntu.  I have also
played around 
with that and it works great.  (Thanks to Chuck and his
words of 
encouragement the last time it failed on me, I even tried
the PXE boot 
option and it worked well.)

Mike K.

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> The desktop is not very well served by any OS.  KDE is
making moves in 
> the right direction by making KDE the desktop with
minimal underlying OS 
> functionality.  Xandros, because of its close KDE ties,
could do the 
> same thing
> 

I don't get that statement at all.  Are you saying that KDE
doesn't need
the OS?  Wouldn't that make KDE the OS then?  Sound
something like the
old emacs line, it's a decent OS now all it needs is a
editor.  Or 
something to that effect anyway.

As of late I've been using KDE 3.5 and 3.4, Gnome 2.8, 2.10,
and 2.12 on
a several machines.  I still lean toward XFCE4 and just run
the 
Gnome,KDE app as I want or need.  Most of the earlier
mentioned I'm also 
using on more than one *nix, not just Linux.

Mike

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> 
> With all due respect, FOSS is one of the best free
markets around.  Each 
> player, while bound by the GPL can and should do
everything they can to 
> get ahead.  CentOS is just standing on RedHat's coat
tails yelling 
> "MUSH!"  That's not the spirit of FOSS.
> 
> Mike K.
> 

So CentOS brings nothing to the table other than rebranded
RH?

I've been told that whitebox was another distro based on RH.
 It's 
demise was reportably "Katrina" as its home was in
New Orleans.  CentOS 
has basically picked up and grown from there.

Mike

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On Monday 23 January 2006 12:37, Larry D wrote:
> Redhat is a company, and they are not playing, they are
trying to make $.
> (And succeeding.) They  started their journey away from
FOSS a long time
> ago. And they are definitely following Microsoft's
example.

The fact that CENT OS exists and that RH hasn't swooped in
and squashed them 
or even tried to (other than making them remove all RH logos
and names from 
their website) says that RH is not playing like MS. MS would
be trying to 
squash every distro that had ANYTHING in common.

Just because they are not free as in Beer, does not mean
they aren't free as 
in speech.

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