Re: Current PowerBooks situation

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Michael Small wrote:
> But if I run mplayer on many many files, it seems like
it might be
> reopening the device each track, and eventually it will
start up
> one and get a lot of static or complete silence, and
popping noises
> at track start become more frequent.  But after a
failure, trying
> again will often work fine.  After more and more files
are played,
> how many times you have to retry increases until it's
almost

Yup, I can totally reproduce this behaviour any time.

> when it's at its worse, when I might try 10 or 20 times
to get
> a track playing, once I get it playing okay it will
play fine right
> to its end.  Only when I try a 2nd track, I'll have to
try as many
> times or more again.  Then rebooting will clean the
slate and all
> will be well again.

Same.

> I was going to submit a bug report, but I've put it off
wanting to
> look at it more closely and to see if I could come up
with some more

Please do send a bug report, I've been lazy to do this ;)

-- 
Antoine

Hello megamans. Times changes. I get tired with x86 litte.
It's very 
impressive to choose laptop with G4 inside. I know that some
information 
on the web, but at this year i couldn't find nothing but
success with 
Titanium Book. But i presume there are many PowerBook
owners, that run 
OpenBSD as it's main system (except thoose, who changed it
to x86-based 
machines). So questions are:

1) Follow this page http://openbsd.org/mac
ppc.html i'm interesting with 
work PowerBook5,6 , PowerBook5,8 and PowerBook5,9;
2) Is the situation same at this moment (Airport Extreme is
not 
supported and other...)?;
3) What's work? I'm interesting in working wi-fi (maybe with
pccard 
slot?), integrated lan, X11 (speed and native or non-native
screen 
resolution, speed of 2D) and apm statuses.
4) Private questions: 1. number of commiters and main
developers except 
of course Dale Rahn; 2. Number of packages and ports; 3.
Main progress 
situation.

Big thanks to all.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, artem.falcongmail.com wrote:
> 2) Is the situation same at this moment (Airport
Extreme is not supported and 
> other...)?;

It works (not perfect yet, but usable)  since bwi got
imported.

> 3) What's work? I'm interesting in working wi-fi (maybe
with pccard slot?), 
> integrated lan, X11 (speed and native or non-native
screen resolution, speed 
> of 2D) and apm statuses.

All of these work.
As for apm, well only battery status seems to work. suspend
and friends 
are not supported. Basically you should consider a laptop
more like a 
computer you can carry around rather than a real mobile
computer.

> 4) Private questions: 1. number of commiters and main
developers except of 
> course Dale Rahn; 2. Number of packages and ports; 3.
Main progress 
> situation.

2. around 4350 on ftp ; around 4500 total

-- 
Antoine

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, artem.falcongmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, i don't need suspend and such nits. And what
about audio? As i saw in 
> your dmesg it should work.

audio works... most of the time.
But sometimes it doesn't. No idea why, nothing in the logs
and needs a
reboot to make it working again.

Also, when you open apps like audacity, the sound card makes
a
strange scream noise which stops as soon as you play an
audio file.

audio is weird on ppc ;)

-- 
Antoine

On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 05:42:26PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, artem.falcongmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, i don't need suspend and such nits. And
what about audio? As i saw 
>> in your dmesg it should work.
>
> audio works... most of the time.
> But sometimes it doesn't. No idea why, nothing in the
logs and needs a
> reboot to make it working again.
>
> Also, when you open apps like audacity, the sound card
makes a
> strange scream noise which stops as soon as you play an
audio file.
>
> audio is weird on ppc ;)
>
> -- 
> Antoine
>

Really?  I thought this might just be my machine: G4 Digital
Audio
(PowerMac3,4, tumbler).  Do you find that it works great for
a day
or so and then gradually enters an unreliable phase, and
that how
soon this happens seems to depend on how many audio files
you open
and close (sequentially, not at the same time)?

So for instance, if I run ogg123 on random shuffle and leave
it, I
think it never re-opens the sound device, so it works fine
indefinitely.
But if I run mplayer on many many files, it seems like it
might be
reopening the device each track, and eventually it will
start up
one and get a lot of static or complete silence, and popping
noises
at track start become more frequent.  But after a failure,
trying
again will often work fine.  After more and more files are
played,
how many times you have to retry increases until it's
almost
impossible to get any audio at all.  Also, when it starts
getting
bad sometimes static will continue to play after stopping
mplayer
(or other sound programs -- when it gets bad, no sound
program will
play properly, I just get to that point faster with mplayer
-- and
if I remember rightly mp3blaster as well).  Interestingly,
even
when it's at its worse, when I might try 10 or 20 times to
get 
a track playing, once I get it playing okay it will play
fine right
to its end.  Only when I try a 2nd track, I'll have to try
as many
times or more again.  Then rebooting will clean the slate
and all
will be well again.

This was in 4.0 and 4.1, btw.  I haven't tried 4.2 yet.

I was going to submit a bug report, but I've put it off
wanting to
look at it more closely and to see if I could come up with
some more
useful information, only I've been preoccupied with other
things
and it's not a pressing problem for me since I usually
shutdown
every day anyway.

-- 
Mike Small
smallmpanix.com

On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 10:35:46PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Michael Small wrote:
...
>> I was going to submit a bug report, but I've put it
off wanting to
>> look at it more closely and to see if I could come
up with some more
>
> Please do send a bug report, I've been lazy to do this
;)
>
> -- 
> Antoine
>

Okay, let me see if it's the same in 4.2 when I install that
and then
I'll send it in.  I've got my cdrom, I'm just waiting for
the release
date so I can update all my packages at the same time.

Is there anything else you think I should add? 
audioctl,mixerctl output?
There seems to be a macro to turn on some kind of debugging
info in
/usr/src/sys/dev/audio.c.  Maybe I should try that?

-- 
Mike Small
smallmpanix.com

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Michael Small wrote:
> Okay, let me see if it's the same in 4.2 when I install
that and then
> I'll send it in.  I've got my cdrom, I'm just waiting
for the release
> date so I can update all my packages at the same time.

I run current and still see this.

> Is there anything else you think I should add? 
audioctl,mixerctl output?

Yes, provide as much info as you can.

> There seems to be a macro to turn on some kind of
debugging info in
> /usr/src/sys/dev/audio.c.  Maybe I should try that?

Sure.

-- 
Antoine