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RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
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United States
2007-02-26 13:42:47
> companies involved, the group that has the most to gain
from OpenMoko
> are the endusers. Worse the powerusers, which are a bad
deal for the
> networks anyway. I do compare plans, and I tend to use
what I buy.)


I agree that users will benefit. I don't think most of them
know it.
But to your point - there's a big upside for carriers.

Most of the bigger US carriers make incremental income by
selling
'content' (music, apps, games) to their subscribers. They
make quite a
bit of money with this.  

These carriers, _especially_ those most involved in creating
walled
gardens (which indirectly implies most likely to lock)  will
save money
and hasten to market value-added content by promoting open
platforms.
The prevalence of tweaked software and crippled phones is
detrimental to
content development: more developer hours on the front end,
and more
testing on the back.  It's all slower and more expensive
than it needs
to be.

Furthermore usability tests show that consumers are very
often not
willing or able to learn and relearn the software quirks
(some OS, some
app) that stand between them and that juicy game or
application the
carrier's mobile storefront wants to sell.  So the expensive
development
process creates poor conversion rates.  The carriers can do
this math.


> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounceslists.openmoko.org
> [mailto:community-bounceslists.openmoko.org] On
Behalf Of Shawn
> Rutledge
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM
> To: communitylists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for
SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like
Verizon ones that
> require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a
different
> phone.  With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself.  Of
course it would
> also be nice to be able to use different devices
without having to
> physically switch the SIM (like use the GPRS connection
in a laptop or
> PDA).  Anyway "SIM-free" is misleading as you
are using it, because
> you are actually complaining about locked phones that
will only work
> on one network.   And BTW it's not so hard to buy new
unlocked phones
> on the net if you are willing to pay unsubsidized
prices for them.
> 
> As for Jobs, I think he negotiated a lot of unique
stuff that cannot
> typically be negotiated with a carrier.  It's too bad
the phone still
> costs $500-600 even with a contract.  Makes me wonder
what the real
> manufacturing cost is; is the hardware that super-duper
or are they
> just wanting to have even better margins than they get
on ipods?
> 
> On 2/26/07, Sam Kome <sam.komemotricity.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We should paper the world with (something like)
this rant ahead of
the
> wide release of Neo1973.
> >
> > The fettered masses really don't get it yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked
phones and/or 2yr
> contracts:
> >
> >
>
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/
item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph
> ones.php
> >
> >
> >
> > "How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac
computer was
exclusively
> locked to a particular ISP, was only available to
people who live in
> that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a
2 year
contract
> with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so
why on earth
are
> they having to put up with exactly the same
restrictions on a
portable,
> pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?"
> >
> >
> >
> > "How is it that Finland, a poorer,
lower-density country without
phone
> contracts, and with a law banning locked phones,
developed far better
> phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones
and 2 year
> contracts?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam Kome
> >  UX Team Member
> >
> >  www.motricity.com
> >  view corporate video
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
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2007-02-26 14:46:18
* Sam Kome <sam.komemotricity.com> [070226 21:20]:
> > companies involved, the group that has the most to
gain from OpenMoko
> > are the endusers. Worse the powerusers, which are
a bad deal for the
> > networks anyway. I do compare plans, and I tend to
use what I buy.)
> 
> 
> I agree that users will benefit. I don't think most of
them know it.
> But to your point - there's a big upside for carriers.

The problem is manyfold:

a) corporate view points can be quite twisted for no
reason.
b) carriers in many countries overpaid for the 3G licenses,
and are
now in the bad situation that they are hardpressed to show
any profits.
c) 3G means fast data connection, but only for a small
number of users
=> these means that the carriers are in the bad situation
of cable
internet providers, it's just worse for them. ;)

Andreas

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