RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)

Dean...

Its been a while since I looked, but I do stand corrected.
The Disney plan
indeed launched last June.

The Disney plan is not, however prepaid, and worse, it is
Disney, the folks
who bought and paid for our Sonny Bono Copyright Tem
Extension Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copy
right_Term_Extension_Act

Which, of course, puts them on my "List".

Thanks again.

Alan

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Dean Collins Deancognation.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:35:21 -0500
To: communitylists.openmoko.org
Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for
SIM-free
phones.)

> 
> As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular
industry is that
> NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the
child's monthly use
of
> the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute
limit is
exceeded
> for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account
would still go
through
> and be billed to the parent account.

Alan,
Totally incorrect, this was one of the main themes behind
the Disney
MVNO and I also think Verizon or cingular have this option
as well (I
know I saw a tv ad for one of them a few months ago but cant
remember
which one)

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
deancognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+1-917-207-3420 Mb
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounceslists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-
> bounceslists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of alanrotorgraphics.com
> Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 2:27 PM
> To: communitylists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time
for SIM-free
phones.)
> 
> Sam...
> 
> Thanks for posting that link.  A great write up on the
"Fundamentally
> Immoral" business practices in the cellullar
communications industry
today.
> 
> What I expect from the "Operators" or
"Carriers" (depending on which
oceans
> are nearby) is that they cease and desist using
obfuscation and
bundling to
> hide the true cost of their services.  Ala-carte
pricing that can be
> compared business to business.
> 
> Another Mini-Rant of my own:
> 
> Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility
> 
> As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular
industry is that
> NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the
child's monthly use
of
> the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute
limit is
exceeded
> for the month.  Calls FROM and TO the parent account
would still go
through
> and be billed to the parent account.
> 
> But the cell industry in not interested in what is best
for Society as
a
> whole, namely  young people who can demonstrate the
ability to
conserve and
> manage resources.  Thanks for being such good citizens,
guys. (<<
Sarcasm)
> 
> Alan McSwain
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Sam Kome sam.komemotricity.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:18:59 -0500
> To: communitylists.openmoko.org
> Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time
for SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> 
> 
> I think that the article I linked to really clearly
covers all of the
> issues presented in the email responses.  The price
subsidies, the
> locked/unlocked, the SIM buying, the phone w/o SIM
buying, etc.
> 
> That's why I brought it to this group, because I
respect the
> intelligence of the folks here, and I think they care
about furthering
> the efficacy and usability of mobile computing and
communication.
> 
> I took it for granted that everyone on the list,
including myself,
knows
> the difference between T/CDMA (also available with
SIMs, but
nevermind)
> and GSM devices in terms of subscriber identity
management.
> 
> I _don't_ take for granted that anyone not working in
or around the
cell
> phone industry can even spell SIM, let alone understand
the
implications
> of whether or not their phone has a removable chip, or
if that chip
will
> work in another device, let alone with another
carrier.
> 
> When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a
phone, they are
> very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet
stores, RTFMA, and
see
> a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles
and
> free-after-x-o'clock.  They will not be able to
reasonably compare
these
> to each other without performing sophisticated systems
analysis on the
> fly.  They will and do sign up for 2 year contracts
_and/or_ locked
> devices.
> 
> This by the way, makes my job (creating mobile content)
more
difficult,
> so I have both the philosphical and selfish
professional incentives to
> try to both educate the general public and solve the
core problem as I
> see it, which is a sea of proprietary devices that have
lousy software
> and worse user interfaces.
> 
> How'd I do? Still childish boring bullshit?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounceslists.openmoko.org
> [mailto:community-bounceslists.openmoko.org] On
Behalf Of Shawn
> Rutledge
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM
> To: communitylists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for
SIM-free
> phones.)
> 
> SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like
Verizon ones that
> require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a
different
> phone.  With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself.  Of
course it would
> also be nice to be able to use different devices
without having to
> physically switch the SIM (like use the GPRS connection
in a laptop or
> PDA).  Anyway "SIM-free" is misleading as you
are using it, because
> you are actually complaining about locked phones that
will only work
> on one network.   And BTW it's not so hard to buy new
unlocked phones
> on the net if you are willing to pay unsubsidized
prices for them.
> 
> As for Jobs, I think he negotiated a lot of unique
stuff that cannot
> typically be negotiated with a carrier.  It's too bad
the phone still
> costs $500-600 even with a contract.  Makes me wonder
what the real
> manufacturing cost is; is the hardware that super-duper
or are they
> just wanting to have even better margins than they get
on ipods?
> 
> On 2/26/07, Sam Kome <sam.komemotricity.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We should paper the world with (something like)
this rant ahead of
the
> wide release of Neo1973.
> >
> > The fettered masses really don't get it yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked
phones and/or 2yr
> contracts:
> >
> >
>
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/
item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph
> ones.php
> >
> >
> >
> > "How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac
computer was
exclusively
> locked to a particular ISP, was only available to
people who live in
> that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a
2 year
contract
> with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so
why on earth
are
> they having to put up with exactly the same
restrictions on a
portable,
> pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone?"
> >
> >
> >
> > "How is it that Finland, a poorer,
lower-density country without
phone
> contracts, and with a law banning locked phones,
developed far better
> phone coverage than America, the land of locked phones
and 2 year
> contracts?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sam Kome
> >  UX Team Member
> >
> >  www.motricity.com
> >  view corporate video
> >
> >
> >
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