Adding cjk keyword in IssueTracker

Caio, Joost, Andre, Fhong, khirano, Stefan, and all,

While QA and release process of 2.3.0 for Japanese version,
I realized that some issues are critical for Japanese. 
E.g., 
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81390

marked as P2.

This won't be a showstopper, however if we restrict
ourselves
to Japanese, I think this is a showstopper. This issue is
also regarded
as important, from Release status meeting minutes
2007-09-24.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wik
i/ReleaseStatus_Minutes#2007-09-24
>    *  it was agreed to try to provide binary patches
for
>          o Chart DEFECT VERIFIED FIXED P2 Smooth Lines
dialog is too small to set all properties http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81390
>         o framework DEFECT RESOLVED FIXED P3 Fontwork
display is broken http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81609 
> on OOG680_m6 basis, Kai S. to identify source patches
to be applied for m6. 

I'm thinking about in a near future, CJK issues which are
marked as P2/P3
are more severe than before.

So - what I'm suggesting is adding `CJK' keyword for
IssueTracker so that
we can query CJK issues much more easily.

Also - we can identify how many CJK issues are in
IssueTracker, etc, etc.

BTW: we already have Hebrew keyword in IssueTracker.

How do you think? 

All the best,
-- Nakata Maho (mahoFreeBSD.org)

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Hi Joost, Maho and all,

On 10/4/07, Joost Andrae <Joost.Andraesun.com> wrote:
> Regarding your request for a CJK keyword I don't think
there's a real
> need but if you think it's necessary you'll get my +1
I think it's necessary.
Since we are dealing with Office Suite, letters and writing
systems,
we are meeting common CJK issues like:
http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_writing
h
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJK_Unified_Ideographs

If we find those common issues easy and quick, and share
them, CJK
communities along with CJK group can collaborate more on
working
together to solve common questions.

+1 for "cjk" keyword.

Thanks,
khirano

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Kazunari Hirano wrote:
> I think it's necessary.

I agree with the necessity for a keyword that covers Asian
issues.

But I DO NOT agree with the word CJK.
That is obsolete and was used in the 20th century.

If you want to be an international person in this century,
please
consider CJK as a discriminatory word. Asia consists of much
more
countries and regions, not only C, J, neither K.
OpenOffice.org
offers functionalities for Asian languages, not only CJK.

If you want to track Japanese relevant issues, please say so
and
do not make a thing broad.

Regards,
Tora

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Hi,

Fonts is a common CJK issue because CJK share calligraphy,
roots of our Fonts.
h
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_calligraphy

If you go Tools -> Options -> Language Settings ->
Languages ->
Default Languages for documents, you find
"Asian."
If you drop it down, you see some Chineses, Japanese and
Korean.
This should be called "East Asian" or
"CJK."

Thanks,
khirano


On 10/7/07, Kazunari Hirano <khiranogmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Joost, Maho and all,
>
> On 10/4/07, Joost Andrae <Joost.Andraesun.com> wrote:
> > Regarding your request for a CJK keyword I don't
think there's a real
> > need but if you think it's necessary you'll get my
+1
> I think it's necessary.
> Since we are dealing with Office Suite, letters and
writing systems,
> we are meeting common CJK issues like:
> http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_writing
> h
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJK_Unified_Ideographs
>
> If we find those common issues easy and quick, and
share them, CJK
> communities along with CJK group can collaborate more
on working
> together to solve common questions.
>
> +1 for "cjk" keyword.
>
> Thanks,
> khirano
>

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Hi,

Asian is rich in diversity with languages and cultures.
Asian languages include Thai, Lao and Indic languages, which
are
categorized "CTL (complex text-layout)" for
OpenOffice.org.  This is
right for Office Suite.

You can see these languages if you go Tools -> Options
-> Language
Settings -> Languages -> Default Languages for
documents, and drop the
"CTL" down.

Thanks,
khirano

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On 10/7/07, tora - Takamichi Akiyama <toraopenoffice.org> wrote:
> the word CJK.
> That is obsolete and was used in the 20th century.
Is it??
;)
http://en
.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJK_characters

> please consider CJK as a discriminatory word.
Very unique viewpoint, which I have never thought of.

> OpenOffice.org offers functionalities for Asian
languages, not only CJK.
OpenOffice.org trys to offer them for all the languages on
the earth.

Thanks,
khirano

> Thanks,
> khirano
>

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Hello khirano,

I really hate YOU.

Please do not attack me in such a way that you repeatedly
did in the ja-NL project.

Bye.

Tora

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Hi,

In terms of Asian Languages, more Asian, East Asian or South
East
Asian languages will come into OpenOffice.org, like
Indonesian and
Tagalog.
http
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_language
http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_language

They use alphabet.  So they don't have to be categorized
"Asian" or
"CTL" for current OpenOffice.org.

We may need to make a slight change in "Default
Languages for
documents," and have two categories, "CJK"
and "CTL."

Thanks,
khirano

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Hi,


Kazunari Hirano a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> In terms of Asian Languages, more Asian, East Asian or
South East
> Asian languages will come into OpenOffice.org, like
Indonesian and
> Tagalog.
> http
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_language
> http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_language
>
> They use alphabet.  So they don't have to be
categorized "Asian" or
> "CTL" for current OpenOffice.org.
>
> We may need to make a slight change in "Default
Languages for
> documents," and have two categories,
"CJK" and "CTL."
>   

+1. When it comes to localization and internationalization,
we also have
to take into account the current usage patterns, so CJK
should be
maintained (even if that's reputed obsolete).
If the usage is proven to disappear, then we'll change it.

Best,
Charles.


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Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> +1. When it comes to localization and
internationalization, we also have
> to take into account the current usage patterns, so CJK
should be
> maintained (even if that's reputed obsolete).
> If the usage is proven to disappear, then we'll change
it.

OK, thanks to khirano and Charles, I have sightly changed my
opinion.

+1 for adding a keyword 'cjk'


The word cjk has been used for years among i18n engineers
and implies
vertical writing, grid layout, input method, and so on. It
might be
easier for them to understand the word cjk than another new
word.

The reason why I opposed to the spell cjk was about the rest
of languages:
 - CJK covers Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.
 - CTL covers languages written in right-to-left.
 - What word can cover the rest of the languages in Asia.

Regards,
Tora

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