Crystal Clear icons as official for Mac version

Clytie Siddall wrote:
>
> When you say ", that doesn't mean using the corny
OpenOffice.org icon 
> images and sticking with the non-intuitive symbols
chosen for them, I 
> hope?
>
> It would be much better for a Mac-native port to use
symbols familiar 
> to Mac users. 
>
> For example, OpenOffice.org does not use the magnifying
glass in the 
> same way as OSX. That's confusing.
Yes, I heartily concur. I just don't see the logic or sense
of "match 
the colours and trademarks of OpenOffice.org" when we
all know that 
OOo's "default look" is a Windows-based look.
Again, for whose platform 
are you making Mac OOo comfortable for? There's no switch in
loyalty by 
doing it a different style from other platforms. The
"Oh, but we want 
people to recognize Mac OOo is a OOo product when they peek
over your 
shoulder at the office" reason for Mac OO to ape
Windows OOo is another 
lame excuse. A Corvette Stingray doesn't have to look like
an Impala to 
remind folks that they're both built by General Motors,
right? In a 
nutshell, build Mac OOo for Mac users _not_ Windows people.
If you're 
worried about making it easier for Windows OOo folks to use
or migrate 
to Mac OOo, then slap on a Windows OOo GUI lookalike option
a'la 
Kaleidescope and move on. If you want to stand out and sell,
you excel 
on performance and flaunt a unique look/style. Don't look
like you're 
"brown nosing" another platform because you've no
distinguishing 
concepts of your own.

Respectfully to all OOo engineers.

James Greenidge
Queens NY USA

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Well, I didn't get a response from Everaldo (yet). Since the
icons are 
LGPL, perhaps they can be used without his explicit
permission? And I'm 
glad that it looks like people don't care too much about the
standard 
OOo style when it means making a nicer interface for mac.

~Ariel

James Greenidge wrote:
> Clytie Siddall wrote:
>>
>> When you say ", that doesn't mean using the
corny OpenOffice.org icon 
>> images and sticking with the non-intuitive symbols
chosen for them, I 
>> hope?
>>
>> It would be much better for a Mac-native port to
use symbols familiar 
>> to Mac users. 
>>
>> For example, OpenOffice.org does not use the
magnifying glass in the 
>> same way as OSX. That's confusing.
> Yes, I heartily concur. I just don't see the logic or
sense of "match 
> the colours and trademarks of OpenOffice.org" when
we all know that 
> OOo's "default look" is a Windows-based look.
Again, for whose 
> platform are you making Mac OOo comfortable for?
There's no switch in 
> loyalty by doing it a different style from other
platforms. The "Oh, 
> but we want people to recognize Mac OOo is a OOo
product when they 
> peek over your shoulder at the office" reason for
Mac OO to ape 
> Windows OOo is another lame excuse. A Corvette Stingray
doesn't have 
> to look like an Impala to remind folks that they're
both built by 
> General Motors, right? In a nutshell, build Mac OOo for
Mac users 
> _not_ Windows people. If you're worried about making it
easier for 
> Windows OOo folks to use or migrate to Mac OOo, then
slap on a Windows 
> OOo GUI lookalike option a'la Kaleidescope and move on.
If you want to 
> stand out and sell, you excel on performance and flaunt
a unique 
> look/style. Don't look like you're "brown
nosing" another platform 
> because you've no distinguishing concepts of your own.
>
> Respectfully to all OOo engineers.
>
> James Greenidge
> Queens NY USA
>
>
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Hi Ariel,

Le 19 août 07 à 06:03, Ariel Lepor a écrit :

> Well, I didn't get a response from Everaldo (yet).
Since the icons  
> are LGPL, perhaps they can be used without his explicit
permission?



In the real world, things are really serious 

For more informations, please have a look at http:// 
external.openoffice.org/ , and follow the instructions.


> And I'm glad that it looks like people don't care too
much about  
> the standard OOo style when it means making a nicer
interface for  
> mac. 


The problem is that they are things who cannot be done in
one day.  
Just a question of patience and temerity.


Regards,
Eric Bachard

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ON 19/08/2007, AT 4:08 PM, ERIC B WROTE:

> HI ARIEL,
>
> LE 19 AOûT 07 à 06:03, ARIEL LEPOR A éCRIT :
>
>> WELL, I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM EVERALDO (YET).
SINCE THE ICONS  
>> ARE LGPL, PERHAPS THEY CAN BE USED WITHOUT HIS
EXPLICIT PERMISSION?
>
> 
>
> IN THE REAL WORLD, THINGS ARE REALLY SERIOUS 

WELL, IT TENDS TO MAKE THINGS MORE DIFFICULT, SOMETIMES. ;)
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATIONS, PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT HTTP:// 
> EXTERNAL.OPENOFFICE.ORG/ , AND FOLLOW THE
INSTRUCTIONS.
>
>
>> AND I'M GLAD THAT IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE DON'T CARE
TOO MUCH ABOUT  
>> THE STANDARD OOO STYLE WHEN IT MEANS MAKING A NICER
INTERFACE FOR  
>> MAC. 
>
>
> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE THINGS WHO CANNOT BE DONE
IN ONE DAY.  
> JUST A QUESTION OF PATIENCE AND TEMERITY.

I LIKE "TEMERITY"! 

TO ACHIEVE ANY CHANGE IN OPENOFFICE.ORG THAT MEANS
COMMUNICATING WITH  
OTHER SUB-PROJECTS, YOU NEED PATIENCE, TEMERITY, TENACITY, 

DETERMINATION, LOTS OF SUPPORT, EXTREMELY GOOD FORTUNE AND
BEING ABLE  
TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE CHANGE ACTUALLY HAPPEN!

OPENOFFICE.ORG HAS INERTIA THE WAY MILLIPEDES HAVE LEGS.

FROM CLYTIE (VI-VN, VIETNAMESE FREE-SOFTWARE TRANSLATION
TEAM / NHóM  
VI{‡T HóA PHz§N M{�M T{± DO)
HTTP://GROUPS-BETA.GOOGLE.COM/GROUP/VI-VN

I tried contacting Everaldo again (several days ago) to see
if he could 
make new icons for OpenOffice.org for Mac and still he
didn't respond. 
Perhaps someone else could try, if he's just not getting my
emails, for 
whatever reason?

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I got a response. YellowIcon.con expressed interest in
helping the 
project. Their email read: "Just checking in to see if
there's any news 
on your project, and also to know if we can help you with
anything in 
this meantime. Looking Forward to hearing from you."
I sure do hope we can use their icons in OpenOffice.org for
Mac, because 
it would make it that much more comfortable for Mac users.

Ariel Lepor wrote:
> I tried contacting Everaldo again (several days ago) to
see if he 
> could make new icons for OpenOffice.org for Mac and
still he didn't 
> respond. Perhaps someone else could try, if he's just
not getting my 
> emails, for whatever reason?
>
>
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HI ARIEL,

LE 6 NOV. 07 à 23:11, ARIEL LEPOR A éCRIT :

> I GOT A RESPONSE. YELLOWICON.CON EXPRESSED INTEREST IN
HELPING THE  
> PROJECT. THEIR EMAIL READ: "JUST CHECKING IN TO
SEE IF THERE'S ANY  
> NEWS ON YOUR PROJECT, AND ALSO TO KNOW IF WE CAN HELP
YOU WITH  
> ANYTHING IN THIS MEANTIME. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING
FROM YOU."
> I SURE DO HOPE WE CAN USE THEIR ICONS IN OPENOFFICE.ORG
FOR MAC,  
> BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE FOR
MAC USERS.
>

GOOD  

ONCE YOU HAVE ICONS, JUST LET US KNOW, AND WE'LL HELP YOU :
I'M  
REALLY INTERESTED TO TEST 

REGARDS;
ERIC BACHARD

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