Crystal Clear icons as official for Mac version

There is an issue 
(http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79809
) about the icon 
size for the Mac OpenOffice.org icons (icns format). I
resized the icons 
based on SVGs that I found, but I thought that perhaps
OpenOffice.org 
should go in the way of many other companies and that is to
use 
different icons in the Mac version which better fit in with
the general 
Mac OS X Aqua theme. There are icons made by Crystal Clear
(under a free 
license) which I think would do the job perfectly. I emailed
the author 
of the icons (Everaldo Coelho) to see if he could sign a JCA
form. See 
the end of the issue I linked to at the beginning of this
email for his 
icons. Again, his icons would much better serve the Mac
version than the 
current ones, and I hope that his become Official for the
Mac port.
Artguy10

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ON 16/08/2007, AT 5:28 AM, ARIEL LEPOR WROTE:

> THERE IS AN ISSUE
(HTTP://WWW.OPENOFFICE.ORG/ISSUES/SHOW_BUG.CGI? 
> ID=79809) ABOUT THE ICON SIZE FOR THE MAC
OPENOFFICE.ORG ICONS  
> (ICNS FORMAT). I RESIZED THE ICONS BASED ON SVGS THAT I
FOUND, BUT  
> I THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS OPENOFFICE.ORG SHOULD GO IN THE
WAY OF MANY  
> OTHER COMPANIES AND THAT IS TO USE DIFFERENT ICONS IN
THE MAC  
> VERSION WHICH BETTER FIT IN WITH THE GENERAL MAC OS X
AQUA THEME.  
> THERE ARE ICONS MADE BY CRYSTAL CLEAR (UNDER A FREE
LICENSE) WHICH  
> I THINK WOULD DO THE JOB PERFECTLY. I EMAILED THE
AUTHOR OF THE  
> ICONS (EVERALDO COELHO) TO SEE IF HE COULD SIGN A JCA
FORM. SEE THE  
> END OF THE ISSUE I LINKED TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
EMAIL FOR HIS  
> ICONS. AGAIN, HIS ICONS WOULD MUCH BETTER SERVE THE MAC
VERSION  
> THAN THE CURRENT ONES, AND I HOPE THAT HIS BECOME
OFFICIAL FOR THE  
> MAC PORT.
> ARTGUY10

+1

EXCELLENT ICONS, BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED AND EXACTLY WHAT WE
NEED. 

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Hello Ariel,

Sorry for being late answering you.


Ariel Lepor a écrit :
> There is an issue 
> (http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79809
) about the icon 
> size for the Mac OpenOffice.org icons (icns format).

I know, and I follow this issue carefully ;)

> I resized the icons based on SVGs that I found, but I
thought that perhaps OpenOffice.org 
> should go in the way of many other companies and that
is to use different icons in the Mac version which better
fit in with the general 
> Mac OS X Aqua theme.

Yes, this is a problem. It was, because since some time, I
see real 
effort to have a better:

- look
- User Interface ( feel )

> There are icons made by Crystal Clear (under a free
license) which I think would do the job perfectly. I emailed
the author 
> of the icons (Everaldo Coelho) to see if he could sign
a JCA form.

Don't hesitate to keep us informaed about the evolution. 
For legal 
issues, and external work, I'd suggest you to contact Martin
Hollmichel 
( mh at openoffice dot org ). I'll help you once we have
more informations.


  See the end of the issue I linked to at the beginning of
this email 
for his
> icons. Again, his icons would much better serve the Mac
version than the 
> current ones, and I hope that his become Official for
the Mac port.

Thank you very much for your work, we *really* appreciate,
and people 
like you are warmly welcome in Mac porting project.

You perfectly match my vision of the Mac porting project:
what we have 
is not what Mac users expect, and instead of *talk*, just do
it  ;)

Now, I'll answer you more "technically"

- the Mac OS X icons are located in desktop module, in
macosx dir,so 
they are dedicated to Mac only at build time
=> no problem to modify the size of the icons (good idea
! )

- to match OpenOffice.org trademark, the Mac OS X icons must
repsect 
some "lines" in the design, and the colors
=> means  the content, cannot be easely modified, and
modify the 
original icon contents must be hardly discussed

The result is: if we want to integrate them, we will need
work and time 
( bad administrative side of OpenOffice.org): they are
people to 
contact, document to write, provide proof of concept, QA it
... etc : 
lot of work to come, and not too much people are volunteers,
as you can 
guess.

To save time, if your set is complete, I (or any volunteeer
interested) 
can try to provide experimental set including them, as proof
of concept.


What do you think ?

Eric Bachard

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Hi Eric, Ariel 
Am Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:18:03 +0200 schrieb eric.bachard:
> To save time, if your set is complete, I (or any
volunteeer 
> interested) can try to provide experimental set
including them, 
> as proof of concept.

For one of my next Aqua builds I can integrate them and mark
the 
build as hacked 

I just need a good how-to make OOo recognize your icon set.


Kind regards, 
Eric 

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Hi Eric,

Eric Hoch a écrit :
> Hi Eric, Ariel 
> For one of my next Aqua builds I can integrate them and
mark the 
> build as hacked 



> I just need a good how-to make OOo recognize your icon
set. 

I think the icons are the one located in
desktop/macosx/source/icons. If 
the modified one have the same name, the modification should
be easy. 
Anyway, you can count on me to help if necessary.


Kind regards,
Eric

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Hi all,
I can email Everaldo and ask him if he could re-make icons
for 
OpenOffice that more closely match the colors and trademarks
of 
OpenOffice.org; should I do this?
When talking about integrating my icon set, are you talking
about the 
Crystal Clear icons, the ones I resized, or the orbs I
suggested (I only 
made two)?
~Ariel

eric.bachard wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Eric Hoch a écrit :
>> Hi Eric, Ariel For one of my next Aqua builds I can
integrate them 
>> and mark the build as hacked 
>
> 
>
>> I just need a good how-to make OOo recognize your
icon set. 
>
> I think the icons are the one located in
desktop/macosx/source/icons. 
> If the modified one have the same name, the
modification should be 
> easy. Anyway, you can count on me to help if
necessary.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Eric
>

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Hi Ariel, 
Am Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:07:18 -0700 schrieb Ariel Lepor:
> Hi all,
> I can email Everaldo and ask him if he could re-make
icons for 
> OpenOffice that more closely match the colors and
trademarks of 
> OpenOffice.org; should I do this?

Yes, please do so. The earlier the better. It would be 
disappointing if integration fails because of this. In
general I 
like the Crystal Icons

> When talking about integrating my icon set, are you
talking about 
> the Crystal Clear icons, the ones I resized, or the
orbs I 
> suggested (I only made two)?

I was talking about the Crystal Icons. But I can only see
Icons for 
the main apps. Me and I think Eric Bachard two we're both
assuming 
that you designed Icons for the toolbars. That's why we're
talking 
about a whole set of icons. 

Could you please be more specific about what Icons you want
to have 
changed. 

Kind regards, 
Eric Hoch


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ON 18/08/2007, AT 3:00 AM, ERIC HOCH WROTE:

> AM FRI, 17 AUG 2007 10:07:18 -0700 SCHRIEB ARIEL
LEPOR:
>> HI ALL,
>> I CAN EMAIL EVERALDO AND ASK HIM IF HE COULD
RE-MAKE ICONS FOR
>> OPENOFFICE THAT MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE COLORS AND
TRADEMARKS OF
>> OPENOFFICE.ORG; SHOULD I DO THIS?
>
> YES, PLEASE DO SO. THE EARLIER THE BETTER. IT WOULD BE
> DISAPPOINTING IF INTEGRATION FAILS BECAUSE OF THIS. IN
GENERAL I
> LIKE THE CRYSTAL ICONS

WHEN YOU SAY "MATCH THE COLOURS AND TRADEMARKS OF
OPENOFFICE.ORG",  
THAT DOESN'T MEAN USING THE CORNY OPENOFFICE.ORG ICON IMAGES
AND  
STICKING WITH THE NON-INTUITIVE SYMBOLS CHOSEN FOR THEM, I
HOPE?

IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER FOR A MAC-NATIVE PORT TO USE SYMBOLS
FAMILIAR  
TO MAC USERS. 

FOR EXAMPLE, OPENOFFICE.ORG DOES NOT USE THE MAGNIFYING
GLASS IN THE  
SAME WAY AS OSX. THAT'S CONFUSING.

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Hi Clytie, 
Am Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:13:58 +0930 schrieb Clytie Siddall:
> 
> On 18/08/2007, at 3:00 AM, Eric Hoch wrote:
> 
>> Am Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:07:18 -0700 schrieb Ariel
Lepor:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I can email Everaldo and ask him if he could
re-make icons for
>>> OpenOffice that more closely match the colors
and trademarks of
>>> OpenOffice.org; should I do this?
>> 
>> Yes, please do so. The earlier the better. It would
be
>> disappointing if integration fails because of this.
In general I
>> like the Crystal Icons
> 
> When you say "match the colours and trademarks of

> OpenOffice.org", that doesn't mean using the corny
OpenOffice.org 
> icon images and sticking with the non-intuitive symbols
chosen 
> for them, I hope?

Nope. It simply means that OOo has it's own colors and that
they 
are part of the over all design and a distinctive mark. It
should 
be clear that this is OOo when you see the Icon in your
Mac's 
Application folder. This is kind of missing in the proposed
Icons. 
 
> It would be much better for a Mac-native port to use
symbols 
> familiar to Mac users. 

Of course but OOo has it's cross plattform identity and we
should 
pep it up for the Mac but not change it even if the colours
aren't 
the preferred ones of Mac users, they are part of OOo
design, 
identity and maybe the trademark if one exists. 

Eric

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Hi Eric,

Eric Hoch a écrit :

> Nope. It simply means that OOo has it's own colors and
that they 
> are part of the over all design and a distinctive
mark.

Exactly.

> Of course but OOo has it's cross plattform identity and
we should 
> pep it up for the Mac but not change it even if the
colours aren't 
> the preferred ones of Mac users, they are part of OOo
design, 
> identity and maybe the trademark if one exists. 

Just wondering: and why not ?  Think different 

I suggest we provide the list of those "protected"
icons.

This would make clear all the other can be modified, and
allow to 
concentrate the discussion on what cannot.
The next steps could be: find the good people, inform,
propose *new* things.


Kind regards,
Eric

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