Portable AQUA via USB on Intel

HI EVERYONE 

I'M KEEN TO TEST PORTABLE OPENOFFICE.ORG, SINCE MOST
VIETNAMESE USERS  
DO NOT HAVE COMPUTERS OF THEIR OWN, AND AT BEST WILL BE
ACCESSING  
THEM VIA SCHOOL, UNIVERSITY, WORK OR AN INTERNET CAFé, IN
SHORT:  
SOMEONE ELSE'S COMPUTER. WE HAD FRANTIC ENQUIRIES BACK IN
RELEASE  
CYCLE OPENOFFICE.ORG 2.1 ABOUT A PORTABLE VERSION. PORTABLE
APPS  
DEFINITELY EMPOWER PEOPLE WITH FEW RESOURCES.

THE PORTABLE AQUA FILE DOWNLOADED OK. I ASKED MY HUSBAND TO
BRING ME  
HOME A USB THUMB DRIVE, HOPING 1 GB WOULD BE ENOUGH. HE SAYS
IT'S A  
"CHEAP AND NASTY" BRAND (THE THUMB DRIVE, NOT
OPENOFFICE.ORG ;) ),  
BUT IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.

1. INSTALLATION

I FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS, AND EVERYTHING SEEMED TO WORK.
(I  
VOLUNTEER TO REVIEW THE TEXT FOR THE LANGUAGE PACK SCRIPT
MESSAGE  
WINDOWS. ;) )

THE LANGUAGE PACK INSTALL ALSO WORKED. I WAS IMPRESSED THAT
THE  
LANGUAGE-PACK INSTALL SCRIPT FOUND AND IDENTIFIED ALL MY
DIFFERENT  
OPENOFFICE.ORG INSTALLS ON MY HARD DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE ONE
ON THE  
USB DRIVE.

I DRAGGED ONE OF THE OPENOFFICE.ORG ICONS INTO MY DOCK, AS
INSTRUCTED.


2. RUNNING THE APP.

I UNMOUNTED MY USB DRIVE, THEN REMOUNTED IT. I CLICKED ON
THE WRITER  
ICON IN MY DOCK, AND AN OPENOFFICE.ORG ICON APPEARED.

(THIS IS NOT REALLY INTUITIVE, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME BACK TO
THE APP, I  
CLICKED ON THE WRITER ICON TO RETURN TO MY DOCUMENT, AND IT
STARTED  
LOADING ANOTHER OPENOFFICE.ORG INSTANCE. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE
GET  
AROUND THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED ONLY ONE OPENOFFICE.ORG
ICON, OR AN  
EASIER WAY TO REMIND THE USER OF WHICH ICON DOES WHAT.)

THE SETUP PROCESS WORKED. WHEN I CLICKED ON
"FINISH", INSTEAD OF THE  
OPENOFFICE.ORG SPLASH SCREEN, I SAW A BLANK WHITE RECTANGLE,
WITH A  
FULL PROGRESS BAR DOWN THE BOTTOM.

THE WRITER WINDOW LOADED, SLOWLY, FIRST DISPLAYING AS A BIG
BLACK  
RECTANGLE FOR A WHILE. INPUTTING TEXT WAS VERY SLOW AT FIRST
(WAIT  
ICON SHOWN), BUT THEN IT SPED UP.

BIG PLUS: THE APP IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED MY KEYBOARD LAYOUT
CHOICES,  
AND INPUT VIETNAMESE TEXT CORRECTLY. IT ALSO PICKED UP ON MY
 
TEXTEXPANDER AUTOTEXT, AND ON DEFAULT FOLDER X'S ENHANCED
OPEN AND  
SAVE DIALOGUES.

IN SHORT, IT SEEMS TO HOOK INTO THE OSX INTERFACE
EFFECTIVELY.

I WAS ABLE TO SAVE A FILE ON MY HARD DRIVE, USING VIETNAMESE
CHARACTERS.

SO FAR, VERY GOOD. 

FROM CLYTIE (VI-VN, VIETNAMESE FREE-SOFTWARE TRANSLATION
TEAM / NHóM  
VI{‡T HóA PHz§N M{�M T{± DO)
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Hi Clythie
> …
> So far, very good. 

Thank you for this report.
I even didn't know by now that a Mac portable OOo existed!
But the
germanophone project is sucessfull in fundraising by
offering USB-Sticks
with printed OOo-Logo on it and an pre-installed
portable.apps-suite
(Windows) for people giving a sufficient donation to the
project.

Would you please give the url of the portable mac aqua to
me?
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FreeSMUG has a fairly comprehensive list of portable apps
for OS X  
(http://www.frees
mug.org/portableapps), though their portable OOo is  
the X11 version.  I haven't seen the Aqua version anywhere
yet.

~Jayson

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On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Uwe Altmann wrote:

> Would you please give the url of the portable mac aqua
to me?

ON 28/08/2007, AT 4:59 AM, JAYSON KEMPINGER WROTE:

> FREESMUG HAS A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF PORTABLE
APPS FOR OS X  
> (HTTP://WWW.FREESMUG.ORG/PORTABLEAPPS), THOUGH THEIR
PORTABLE OOO  
> IS THE X11 VERSION.  I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AQUA VERSION
ANYWHERE YET.
>
> ON AUG 27, 2007, AT 8:04 AM, UWE ALTMANN WROTE:
>
>> WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE THE URL OF THE PORTABLE MAC
AQUA TO ME?

IT'S JUST AN EARLY TEST VERSION, AN ALPHA. I THOUGHT THIS
WAS THE  
RIGHT PLACE TO REPORT BACK. I HOPE I HAVEN'T STUFFED UP. :S
___

TEST 2

TODAY, I HANDED THE USB KEY TO MY TEENAGE DAUGHTER, WHO USES
OUR MAC  
MINI (ALSO INTEL). SHE IS AN EMBYRO GRAPHIC ARTIST, AND A
FAIR  
REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR YOUNGER GENERATION OF USERS. SHE
HADN'T USED  
OPENOFFICE.ORG BEFORE. SHE MOSTLY LIVES IN PHOTOSHOP,
OMNIWEB,  
ITUNES, MPLAYER, THE DASHBOARD AND YAHOO MESSENGER. HER IDEA
OF TEXT- 
MODE IS TO OPEN TEXTEDIT.

WE DID NO PRELIMINARY SETUP, NO LANGUAGE PACK INSTALL OR
DRAGGING OF  
ANY ICONS TO THE DOCK. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THE
"QUICK  
EDIT/PRINT" SITUATION OF AN ORDINARY USER AT WORK,
SCHOOL/UNI,  
INTERNET CAFé ETC.

SHE PLUGGED IN THE USB KEY, THEN DOUBLE-CLICKED ON THE
WRITER ICON ON  
THE KEY. THIS TIME, THE SPLASH SCREEN SHOWED PROPERLY. THE
WRITER  
WINDOW ONLY DISPLAYED AS A BLACK RECTANGLE AT FIRST, AND
STAYED THAT  
WAY FOR QUITE A WHILE. IN ALL, THE APP TOOK AT LEAST FIVE
MINUTES TO  
LOAD.

THAT HAS TO IMPROVE. I CAN'T SEE PEOPLE BEING WILLING TO SIT
AND WAIT  
FOR OVER FIVE MINUTES WHILE AN APP LOADS. MY DAUGHTER
IMMEDIATELY  
ASSUMED IT WASN'T LOADING, SINCE FOR AT LEAST HALF THAT TIME
THERE  
WAS NO PROGRESS BAR/MESSAGE, NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING
HAPPENING. SHE  
ALSO THOUGHT THE BLACK WINDOW WAS AN ERROR. (SHE HAS BEEN
USING A MAC  
SINCE THE AGE OF 2.) I THINK MOST USERS WOULD ASSUME THE
SAME.

ALSO, SHE EXPECTED THAT OPENOFFICE.ORG WOULD SUPPORT HER
JAPANESE  
KEYBOARD LAYOUTS OUT OF THE BOX. HER OTHER OSX APPS DO. SHE
DOESN'T  
KNOW ABOUT LOCALES, AND DOESN'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO SETUP HER
SYSTEM TO  
USE OTHER LANGUAGES. SHE HAS HER SYSTEM PREFS SET TO GIVE
SECOND  
PRIORITY TO JAPANESE, AND DOESN'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO DO
ANYTHING ELSE  
(IF THAT).

WHEN INPUTTING JAPANESE JUST CREATED WHITE BOXES, SHE WAS  
UNIMPRESSED. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN USE THE OSX SYSTEM
PREFS TO  
SUPPORT LANGUAGES THE WAY OTHER OSX APPS DO? NOT NECESSARILY
TO  
LOCALIZE THE WHOLE APP, BUT SIMPLY TO SUPPORT DISPLAY AND
INPUT OF  
OTHER LANGUAGES.

THIS CONCLUDES TEST 2. THE USER DID NOT SAY, "HEY, I
WANT TO KEEP THAT!"

THEN AGAIN, SHE DOESN'T USE OFFICE PROGRAMS. SHE USES
TEXTEDIT AND  
PHOTOSHOP FOR HOMEWORK, PAGES AND KEYNOTE IF THEIR FEATURES
ARE  
REQUIRED. SHE WOULDN'T KNOW A SPREADSHEET OR DATABASE IF SHE
FELL  
OVER ONE. IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE YOUNG USERS TO OUR
DEMOGRAPHIC, WE  
NEED TO INTEGRATE OPENOFFICE.ORG INTO THE FUNCTIONS THEY
_DO_ USE.

FROM CLYTIE (VI-VN, VIETNAMESE FREE-SOFTWARE TRANSLATION
TEAM / NHóM  
VI{‡T HóA PHz§N M{�M T{± DO)
HTTP://GROUPS-BETA.GOOGLE.COM/GROUP/VI-VN

Hello Clytie,

Clytie Siddall a écrit :
> Hi everyone 
> 
> I'm keen to test Portable OpenOffice.org, since most
Vietnamese users  
> do not have computers of their own, and at best will be
accessing  them 
> via school, university, work or an Internet café, in
short:  someone 
> else's computer. We had frantic enquiries back in
release  cycle 
> OpenOffice.org 2.1 about a portable version. Portable
Apps  definitely 
> empower people with few resources.


> The Portable Aqua file downloaded OK.

Good

> I asked my husband to bring me home a USB thumb drive,
hoping 1 GB would be enough. He says it's a  
> "cheap and nasty" brand (the thumb drive, not
OpenOffice.org ;) ),  but it seems to be working.

Ok, great 

FYI, the full installation needs less than 390MB on the USB
key, and any 
other support works. In short, install it wherever you
want.


> 1. Installation
> 
> I followed the instructions, and everything seemed to
work. (I  
> volunteer to review the text for the language pack
script message  
> windows. ;) )

You're welcome.

> The language pack install also worked.

Say thank you to Christian Lohmaier, alias cloph, and Shaun
McDonald  

> I was impressed that the language-pack install script
found and identified all my different  
> OpenOffice.org installs on my hard drive, as well as
the one on the  USB drive.



[... cut ...]

> I unmounted my USB drive, then remounted it. I clicked
on the Writer  
> icon in my Dock, and an OpenOffice.org icon appeared.

That's exactly what was expected

> (This is not really intuitive, because when I came back
to the app, I  
> clicked on the Writer icon to return to my document,
and it started  
> loading another OpenOffice.org instance. I'm not sure
how we get  around 
> this, but we really need only one OpenOffice.org icon,
or an  easier way 
> to remind the user of which icon does what.)

Yes, I agree. The problem is in the design, and someting is
wrong.

As I explained .. somewhere (   )
recently, separated applications is 
not the correct design, because
we have 6 icons => one application

The opposite is imho the solution:  one application, asking
what, 
through 6 possibilities. imho, the "New"
OpenOffice.org menu is wrongly 
designed too in that sense.


> The setup process worked. When I clicked on
"Finish", instead of the  
> OpenOffice.org splash screen, I saw a blank white
rectangle, with a  
> full progress bar down the bottom.

Well spoted: this is a bug. Only at first launch, though.


> Big plus: the app immediately recognized my keyboard
layout choices,  
> and input Vietnamese text correctly.

Say thank you to Herbert Duerr and Etsushi Kato 


> It also picked up on my  
> TextExpander autotext, and on Default Folder X's
enhanced Open and  Save 
> dialogues.
> 
> In short, it seems to hook into the OSX interface
effectively.

Ufff 

> I was able to save a file on my hard drive, using
Vietnamese characters.
> 
> So far, very good. 

Thank you.  I'll have a look to see if Universal Binary is a
good 
solution for that. If so, I'll give it a try. The immediate
drawback is 
the needed place on the key: 550MB approximatively ( if I
remember 
correctly the size the UB version of OpenOffice.org I tested
was)

Last but not least, you are welcome to redesign the
application: I 
prefer have user(s) point of view first, instead of the dev
one. I have 
not too much time to help you, but I really appreciated your
feedback.


Regards,
Eric Bachard

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Hi Clytie,

Clytie Siddall a écrit :

> It's just an early test version, an alpha.

Yes, it is an alpha version.

> I thought this was the  right 
> place to report back. I hope I haven't stuffed up. :S

No problem, this list is the right place

> Today, I handed the USB key to my teenage daughter, who
uses our Mac  
> Mini (also Intel). She is an embyro graphic artist, and
a fair  
> representative of our younger generation of users. She
hadn't used  
> OpenOffice.org before. She mostly lives in Photoshop,
Omniweb,  iTunes, 
> MPlayer, the Dashboard and Yahoo Messenger. Her idea of
text- mode is to 
> open TextEdit.

[... cut .. ]

> She plugged in the USB key, then double-clicked on the
Writer icon on  
> the key. This time, the splash screen showed properly.
The Writer  
> window only displayed as a black rectangle at first,
and stayed that  
> way for quite a while. In all, the app took at least
five minutes to  load.


Several issues can occur: USB not working properly ( I know
some cases 
), USB key model using USB 1.1 (instead of adviced 2.0 ),
and/or some 
file system check on your key, because not correctly
unmounted last 
time, or spotlight doing some work in background... the real
cause is 
not easy to discover remotely, but top and some other tools
could be 
helpfull when the issue occurs.

Such slow down never occured for me, thank you for reporting
it, I'll 
have a closer look on that, and I'll try to find other
testers, to 
isolate the real cause.


> That has to improve.

Sure, but first isolate the real cause.

> Also, she expected that OpenOffice.org would support
her Japanese  
> keyboard layouts out of the box. Her other OSX apps do.
She doesn't  
> know about locales, and doesn't expect to have to setup
her system to  
> use other languages. She has her system prefs set to
give second  
> priority to Japanese, and doesn't expect to have to do
anything else  
> (if that).

Don't remember, I put the first Aqua version I found on my
disk, for 
testing purpose: this is just a try and a not well tested
solution.

More, the version I put inside is Carbon version, and I have
seen a lot 
of improvement on Coca version since.
We just do our best, but integrate all changes needs time,
and here is 
the problem.


> When inputting Japanese just created white boxes, she
was  unimpressed. 
> Is there any way we can use the OSX system prefs to 
support languages 
> the way other OSX apps do? Not necessarily to  localize
the whole app, 
> but simply to support display and input of  other
languages.

I'm pretty sure Herbert Duerr and Etsushi Kato fixed that
recently, but 
on Cocoa version only.

> This concludes Test 2. The user did not say, "Hey,
I want to keep that!"

This means we have work, and need help in the same time.

Thanks again for your feedback,
Eric Bachard



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Hi Clytie, 
Am Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:27:10 +0930 schrieb Clytie Siddall:
> Today, I handed the USB key to my teenage daughter, who
uses our 
> Mac Mini (also Intel). She is an embyro graphic artist,
and a 
> fair representative of our younger generation of users.
She 
> hadn't used OpenOffice.org before. She mostly lives in
Photoshop, 
> Omniweb, iTunes, MPlayer, the Dashboard and Yahoo
Messenger. Her 
> idea of text-mode is to open TextEdit.
> 
> We did no preliminary setup, no language pack install
or dragging 
> of any icons to the Dock. I thought that would
demonstrate the 
> "quick edit/print" situation of an ordinary
user at work, 
> school/uni, Internet café etc.
> 
> She plugged in the USB key, then double-clicked on the
Writer 
> icon on the key. This time, the splash screen showed
properly. 
> The Writer window only displayed as a black rectangle
at first, 
> and stayed that way for quite a while. In all, the app
took at 
> least five minutes to load.
> 
> That has to improve. I can't see people being willing
to sit and 
> wait for over five minutes while an app loads. My
daughter 
> immediately assumed it wasn't loading, since for at
least half 
> that time there was no progress bar/message, no
evidence of 
> anything happening. She also thought the black window
was an 
> error. (She has been using a Mac since the age of 2.) I
think 
> most users would assume the same.

On Macs the USB port in general is very slow and not very 
responsable when using it with OS X. I don't know if this is
kind 
of "forced" by Apple so that users switch to the
Apple favored 
FireWire since other -nixes don't show this significant slow
down 
when installed on the IntelMac and neither does Windows XP 
installed via BootCamp so even if the USB chips in the
IntelMacs 
aren't the fastest ones out there they cannot be the solemn
reason 
for the slowness of USB.

Did you in compare the launch via USB with the launch on a
hdd. Is 
the launch on a hdd as slow as the one from USB? 

Kind regards, 
Eric Hoch 

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On 28 Aug 2007, at 08:07, eric.bachard wrote:
> [...]
>> She plugged in the USB key, then double-clicked on
the Writer icon  
>> on  the key. This time, the splash screen showed
properly. The  
>> Writer  window only displayed as a black rectangle
at first, and  
>> stayed that  way for quite a while. In all, the app
took at least  
>> five minutes to  load.
>
>
> Several issues can occur: USB not working properly ( I
know some  
> cases ), USB key model using USB 1.1 (instead of
adviced 2.0 ), and/ 
> or some file system check on your key, because not
correctly  
> unmounted last time, or spotlight doing some work in
background...  
> the real cause is not easy to discover remotely, but
top and some  
> other tools could be helpfull when the issue occurs.
>
> Such slow down never occured for me, thank you for
reporting it,  
> I'll have a closer look on that, and I'll try to find
other  
> testers, to isolate the real cause.
>

This will depend on the drive. Flash drives have a rated
read and  
write speed. If you have a slower drive, then it will take
ooo longer  
to open.
I'll take an example
http://tinyurl.com/2uspl4
It has a 3MB/sec write and 6MB/sec read speed. That is one
problem  
with the very cheap flash drives. This is too slow for
running apps off.

On the other hand there is the faster
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.a
spx?IMODULE=CT4GBUFDWHTH00
which is 13MB/sec write and 25MB/sec, which is much more
likely to be  
able to support

It is sometimes very difficult to find the information like
this  
about the flash drives.

A faster ooo is much better.


Is OpenOffice.org prefs compatible across different
platforms?

Shaun

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Hi Clythie

Clytie Siddall schrieb:

> Today, I handed the USB key to my teenage daughter, who
uses our Mac
> Mini (also Intel).

Good idea!

> She plugged in the USB key, 

Just one possibility: If you use an Apple Keyboard to plug
in there an
USB device, you'll always have USB 1.1 instead of 2.0 an
therefore a
very slow data rate.

To get a applicatin from a stick working, you always must
plug in the
USB stick directly to the Mac, not into the Keyboard.

I don't know if that happened, but - just in case 

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THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR REPLIES. I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ALL
AT ONCE  
IN ONE EMAIL, TO AVOID THREADSPREAD. ;)

ON 28/08/2007, AT 4:11 PM, ERIC.BACHARD WROTE:
>
> FYI, THE FULL INSTALLATION NEEDS LESS THAN 390MB ON THE
USB KEY,  
> AND ANY OTHER SUPPORT WORKS. IN SHORT, INSTALL IT
WHEREVER YOU WANT.

I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE BOTHER WITH A USB DRIVE UNDER 1GB
NOWADAYS,  
SO IT SHOULD BE FINE. USB THUMB DRIVES ARE WIDELY ADVERTIZED
IN VIETNAM.
>
>> THE LANGUAGE PACK INSTALL ALSO WORKED.
>
> SAY THANK YOU TO CHRISTIAN LOHMAIER, ALIAS CLOPH, AND
SHAUN  
> MCDONALD  

I'M SORRY THAT I FORGOT TO DO THAT. THANKYOU TO BOTH
CHRISTIAN AND  
SHAUN FOR THEIR EFFORT IN SUPPORTING MY LANGUAGE. )
>
>> I WAS IMPRESSED THAT THE LANGUAGE-PACK INSTALL
SCRIPT FOUND AND  
>> IDENTIFIED ALL MY DIFFERENT  OPENOFFICE.ORG
INSTALLS ON MY HARD  
>> DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE ONE ON THE  USB DRIVE.
>
> 

I AM GETTING RATHER CONFUSED ABOUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT
OPENOFFICE.ORG  
INSTALLS I HAVE, SO ANYTHING THAT _ISN'T_ CONFUSED BY THAT
SITUATION  
IS DOING WELL IMHO. ;)
>
>> I UNMOUNTED MY USB DRIVE, THEN REMOUNTED IT. I
CLICKED ON THE  
>> WRITER  ICON IN MY DOCK, AND AN OPENOFFICE.ORG ICON
APPEARED.
>
> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS EXPECTED
>
>> (THIS IS NOT REALLY INTUITIVE, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME
BACK TO THE  
>> APP, I  CLICKED ON THE WRITER ICON TO RETURN TO MY
DOCUMENT, AND  
>> IT STARTED  LOADING ANOTHER OPENOFFICE.ORG
INSTANCE. I'M NOT SURE  
>> HOW WE GET  AROUND THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED ONLY
ONE  
>> OPENOFFICE.ORG ICON, OR AN  EASIER WAY TO REMIND
THE USER OF WHICH  
>> ICON DOES WHAT.)
>
> YES, I AGREE. THE PROBLEM IS IN THE DESIGN, AND
SOMETING IS WRONG.
>
> AS I EXPLAINED .. SOMEWHERE (   )
RECENTLY, SEPARATED  
> APPLICATIONS IS NOT THE CORRECT DESIGN, BECAUSE
> WE HAVE 6 ICONS => ONE APPLICATION
>
> THE OPPOSITE IS IMHO THE SOLUTION:  ONE APPLICATION,
ASKING WHAT,  
> THROUGH 6 POSSIBILITIES. IMHO, THE "NEW"
OPENOFFICE.ORG MENU IS  
> WRONGLY DESIGNED TOO IN THAT SENSE.

YES, I AGREE. IN THE HELP, IT IS ALSO CONFUSING, ESPECIALLY
FOR THE  
NEW USER, TO BE CONTINUALLY REFERRING TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT 

APPLICATIONS. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE APPLICATION CAN HAVE
MULTIPLE  
FEATURES, OR COVER MULTIPLE AREAS, SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED
FOR  
SEPARATE APPS AT ALL, FROM THE USER POV.
>
>> THE SETUP PROCESS WORKED. WHEN I CLICKED ON
"FINISH", INSTEAD OF  
>> THE  OPENOFFICE.ORG SPLASH SCREEN, I SAW A BLANK
WHITE RECTANGLE,  
>> WITH A  FULL PROGRESS BAR DOWN THE BOTTOM.
>
> WELL SPOTED: THIS IS A BUG. ONLY AT FIRST LAUNCH,
THOUGH.

YES, IT DIDN'T OCCUR ON THE SECOND LAUNCH, FROM USB ON MY
DAUGHTER'S  
MAC MINI.
>
>> BIG PLUS: THE APP IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED MY
KEYBOARD LAYOUT  
>> CHOICES,  AND INPUT VIETNAMESE TEXT CORRECTLY.
>
> SAY THANK YOU TO HERBERT DUERR AND ETSUSHI KATO 

<BLUSHES AGAIN> MY HEAD IS FULL OF HOLES. THANKYOU,
HEBERT AND ETSUSHI!
>
> THANK YOU.  I'LL HAVE A LOOK TO SEE IF UNIVERSAL BINARY
IS A GOOD  
> SOLUTION FOR THAT. IF SO, I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. THE
IMMEDIATE  
> DRAWBACK IS THE NEEDED PLACE ON THE KEY: 550MB
APPROXIMATIVELY ( IF  
> I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE SIZE THE UB VERSION OF
OPENOFFICE.ORG I  
> TESTED WAS)

STILL, IF PEOPLE ARE USING A MINIMUM 1 GB USB KEY, IT SHOULD
STILL BE  
OK.
>
> LAST BUT NOT LEAST, YOU ARE WELCOME TO REDESIGN THE
APPLICATION: I  
> PREFER HAVE USER(S) POINT OF VIEW FIRST, INSTEAD OF THE
DEV ONE. I  
> HAVE NOT TOO MUCH TIME TO HELP YOU, BUT I REALLY
APPRECIATED YOUR  
> FEEDBACK.

THANKYOU. I CAN'T CONTRIBUTE CODE ANYMORE, BUT I CAN TELL
YOU WHAT  
WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T FROM THE USER POV. 

ERIC THEN SAID, ABOUT THE SLOW (>5 MINUTES) LOAD FROM THE
SAME USB  
KEY, BUT ON THE MAC MINI:

> SEVERAL ISSUES CAN OCCUR: USB NOT WORKING PROPERLY ( I
KNOW SOME  
> CASES ), USB KEY MODEL USING USB 1.1 (INSTEAD OF
ADVICED 2.0 ), AND/ 
> OR SOME FILE SYSTEM CHECK ON YOUR KEY, BECAUSE NOT
CORRECTLY  
> UNMOUNTED LAST TIME, OR SPOTLIGHT DOING SOME WORK IN
BACKGROUND...  
> THE REAL CAUSE IS NOT EASY TO DISCOVER REMOTELY, BUT
TOP AND SOME  
> OTHER TOOLS COULD BE HELPFULL WHEN THE ISSUE OCCURS.
>
> SUCH SLOW DOWN NEVER OCCURED FOR ME, THANK YOU FOR
REPORTING IT,  
> I'LL HAVE A CLOSER LOOK ON THAT, AND I'LL TRY TO FIND
OTHER  
> TESTERS, TO ISOLATE THE REAL CAUSE.

ERICH HOCH SAID:

> ON MACS THE USB PORT IN GENERAL IS VERY SLOW AND NOT
VERY
> RESPONSIVE WHEN USING IT WITH OS X. I DON'T KNOW IF
THIS IS KIND
> OF "FORCED" BY APPLE SO THAT USERS SWITCH TO
THE APPLE FAVORED
> FIREWIRE SINCE OTHER -NIXES DON'T SHOW THIS SIGNIFICANT
SLOW DOWN
> WHEN INSTALLED ON THE INTELMAC AND NEITHER DOES WINDOWS
XP
> INSTALLED VIA BOOTCAMP SO EVEN IF THE USB CHIPS IN THE
INTELMACS
> AREN'T THE FASTEST ONES OUT THERE THEY CANNOT BE THE
SOLEMN REASON
> FOR THE SLOWNESS OF USB.

:(
>
> DID YOU IN COMPARE THE LAUNCH VIA USB WITH THE LAUNCH
ON A HDD. IS
> THE LAUNCH ON A HDD AS SLOW AS THE ONE FROM USB?


I WILL TRY TO TEST IT FROM THE HDD, AND ALSO FROM THE
BUILT-IN USB  
PORT DIRECTLY.

I REMEMBER NOW THAT MY DAUGHTER PLUGGED THE USB KEY INTO HER
USB  
_HUB_, NOT THE DIRECT PORT. THE HUB ALREADY HAS THE
MULTIFUNCTION  
PRINTER, HER FLATBED SCANNER AND HER GRAPHICS TABLET
CONNECTED  
(SUPPORTING MY DAUGHTER'S GRAPHICS HABIT IS A MAJOR
FINANCIAL  
EFFORT). THE PRINTER IS ONLY A FEW MONTHS OLD, THE GRAPHICS
TABLET IS  
A WACOM GRAPHIRE II, I THINK, AND THE SCANNER IS RATHER OLD,
SO IT  
MIGHT BE USB 1, I SUPPOSE. SHE DOESN'T NOTICE ANY SLOWNESS
WITH ANY  
OF THOSE DEVICES, THOUGH.

SHAUN SAID:

> THIS WILL DEPEND ON THE DRIVE. FLASH DRIVES HAVE A
RATED READ AND  
> WRITE SPEED. IF YOU HAVE A SLOWER DRIVE, THEN IT WILL
TAKE OOO  
> LONGER TO OPEN.

THIS WAS THE SAME DRIVE WITH BOTH MACHINES, SO EVEN THOUGH
IT WAS A  
GENERIC BRAND, "CHEAP AND NASTY", IT SHOULD NOT
RUN MUCH SLOWER ON  
ANOTHER INTEL MAC. UWE REMINDED ME:

> JUST ONE POSSIBILITY: IF YOU USE AN APPLE KEYBOARD TO
PLUG IN THERE AN
> USB DEVICE, YOU'LL ALWAYS HAVE USB 1.1 INSTEAD OF 2.0
AN THEREFORE A
> VERY SLOW DATA RATE.
>
> TO GET A APPLICATIN FROM A STICK WORKING, YOU ALWAYS
MUST PLUG IN THE
> USB STICK DIRECTLY TO THE MAC, NOT INTO THE KEYBOARD.
>
> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED, BUT - JUST IN CASE 

I THINK THE USB HUB MIGHT BE THE MAIN CULPRIT HERE. SORRY I
DIDN'T  
NOTICE THAT WHEN I REPORTED BACK INITIALLY. (THE MAC
KEYBOARD IS  
PLUGGED INTO THE MAC MINI DIRECTLY, AND WE DON'T DAISY-CHAIN
ANYTHING  
ONTO IT.)

> I'LL TAKE AN EXAMPLE
> HTTP://TINYURL.COM/2USPL4
> IT HAS A 3MB/SEC WRITE AND 6MB/SEC READ SPEED. THAT IS
ONE PROBLEM  
> WITH THE VERY CHEAP FLASH DRIVES. THIS IS TOO SLOW FOR
RUNNING APPS  
> OFF.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT'S GOING TO BE AWKWARD IF PEOPLE
ASSUME YOU  
CAN RUN PORTABLE APPS FROM _ANY_ USB DRIVE, AND GET A REALLY
SLOW  
EXPERIENCE WITH OPENOFFICE.ORG. WE NEED SOME WAY OF
MARKETING THAT  
POSITIVELY:
___

FREE SOFTWARE LIKE OPENOFFICE.ORG CAN BE OF HIGH QUALITY:
CHEAP  
HARDWARE RARELY IS. RUN OPENOFFICE.ORG PORTABLE ON AT LEAST
A XX/SEC  
USB DRIVE FOR OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE.
___
>
> ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS THE FASTER
>
HTTP://WWW.CRUCIAL.COM/UK/STORE/PARTSPECS.ASPX?IMODULE=CT4GB
UFDWHTH00
> WHICH IS 13MB/SEC WRITE AND 25MB/SEC, WHICH IS MUCH
MORE LIKELY TO  
> BE ABLE TO SUPPORT
>
> IT IS SOMETIMES VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND THE INFORMATION
LIKE THIS  
> ABOUT THE FLASH DRIVES.

MY GENERIC USB DRIVE ONLY HAS THE CHAIN STORE NAME AND
ADVERTIZING  
BLURB, NO OTHER INFO. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE HELD OUT FOR
SOMETHING  
SNAZZIER. ;)
>
> A FASTER OOO IS MUCH BETTER.

DEFINITELY. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE SAYING, "IT'S A PAIN
TO LOAD."
>
>
> IS OPENOFFICE.ORG PREFS COMPATIBLE ACROSS DIFFERENT
PLATFORMS?

PERHAPS THE LINUX PREFS WILL TRANSFER TO OTHER LINUX
SYSTEMS? OSX TO  
OSX SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

ANYWAY, TO END ON A POSITIVE NOTE, IT WAS SUCH A RELIEF TO
BE ABLE TO  
OPEN OPENOFFICE.ORG WITHOUT X11! THIS IS DEFINITELY  A HUGE
STEP  
FORWARD FOR OPENOFFICE.ORG MAC. 

FROM CLYTIE (VI-VN, VIETNAMESE FREE-SOFTWARE TRANSLATION
TEAM / NHóM  
VI{‡T HóA PHz§N M{�M T{± DO)
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