Native file picker localization.

Hi,

Pascal Garcia (alias spiral), found a very interesting tip
for native  
FilePicker localization.

Version needed is either m225 or m229 Aqua ( m226, m227 wont
work )

1) launch OpenOffice.org
2) launch the native File Picker using Apple key + O
3) verify some strings are english instead of your native
locale
4) verify OpenOffice.org menu entry is not localized
5) once done quit OpenOffice.org

Now, create (please respect the lower/upper cases in the
folder names  
below) :

Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj , German.lproj , 

Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj

da.lproj , fi.lproj , ko.lproj , no.lproj , pt.lproj

Once done, redo 1 to 5 tests.


Expected:  a confirmation for every major locales , and
other:

1) the OpenOffice.org menu entry works
2) the native FilePicker is fully localized

=>  verified working for French and German, on both Tiger
and coming  
Leopard


If ever the tip is confirmed working for all major locales 

( Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj , German.lproj
,  
Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj ), I propose
to create  
a cws, and create all those folder, to localize the
FilePicker and  
OpenOffice.org menu entry.


Thanks in advance for any feedback concerning othe locales


Eric Bachard





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Hi Eric,

I can confirm that this works with m225 PPC Aqua Dutch.
However All files (*.*), Version and Read-only are still in
English.

Regards,

Martin Borgman,
OpenOffice.org On OpenVMS Porting Group.

eric b wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Pascal Garcia (alias spiral), found a very interesting
tip for native
> FilePicker localization.
>
> Version needed is either m225 or m229 Aqua ( m226, m227
wont work )
>
> 1) launch OpenOffice.org
> 2) launch the native File Picker using Apple key + O
> 3) verify some strings are english instead of your
native locale
> 4) verify OpenOffice.org menu entry is not localized
> 5) once done quit OpenOffice.org
>
> Now, create (please respect the lower/upper cases in
the folder names
> below) :
>
> Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj ,
German.lproj ,
> Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj
>
> da.lproj , fi.lproj , ko.lproj , no.lproj , pt.lproj
>
> Once done, redo 1 to 5 tests.
>
>
> Expected:  a confirmation for every major locales , and
other:
>
> 1) the OpenOffice.org menu entry works
> 2) the native FilePicker is fully localized
>
> =>  verified working for French and German, on both
Tiger and coming
> Leopard
>
>
> If ever the tip is confirmed working for all major
locales (
> Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj ,
German.lproj ,
> Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj ), I
propose to create
> a cws, and create all those folder, to localize the
FilePicker and
> OpenOffice.org menu entry.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback concerning othe
locales 
>
> Eric Bachard
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Martin, 
Am Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:25:08 +0200 schrieb Martin Borgman:
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> Hi Eric,
> 
> I can confirm that this works with m225 PPC Aqua
Dutch.
> However All files (*.*), Version and Read-only are
still in English.

I had a similiar issue. Thanks to me beeing online via IRC I
had a 
log of Eric explaining to Raphael in which directory he
needs to 
create the .lproj Files and I noticed that I did it in the
wrong 
directory so I changed it to OpenOffice.org 
2.3.app/Contents/Resources and afterwards All files (*.*),
Version 
and Read-only were in German. 

HTH, 
Eric

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Hi *,

On 9/17/07, eric b <eric.bachardfree.fr> wrote:
>
> Expected:  a confirmation for every major locales , and
other:
>
> 1) the OpenOffice.org menu entry works
> 2) the native FilePicker is fully localized
>
> =>  verified working for French and German, on both
Tiger and coming
> Leopard
>
>
> If ever the tip is confirmed working for all major
locales
> ( Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj ,
German.lproj ,
> Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj ), I
propose to create
> a cws, and create all those folder, to localize the
FilePicker and
> OpenOffice.org menu entry.

Please use ISO language/locale identifiers instead of the
legacy language
names. These are deprecated by Apple already, see:
htt
p://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPIn
ternational/Articles/LanguageDesignations.html

ciao
Christian

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On 18/09/2007, at 9:17 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

> Hi *,
>
> On 9/17/07, eric b <eric.bachardfree.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Expected:  a confirmation for every major locales ,
and other:
>>
>> 1) the OpenOffice.org menu entry works
>> 2) the native FilePicker is fully localized
>>
>> =>  verified working for French and German, on
both Tiger and coming
>> Leopard
>>
>>
>> If ever the tip is confirmed working for all major
locales
>> ( Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj ,
German.lproj ,
>> Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj ), I
propose to create
>> a cws, and create all those folder, to localize the
FilePicker and
>> OpenOffice.org menu entry.
>
> Please use ISO language/locale identifiers instead of
the legacy  
> language
> names. These are deprecated by Apple already, see:
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conce
ptual/ 
> BPInternational/Articles/LanguageDesignations.html
>
Good point, Christian. 

Also, I don't quite understand the implications of this for 

localization. Do we need to do anything manually, or will it
be fixed  
for the release?

from Clytie

Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
h
ttp://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n

Ok, before I try anything, what happens with languages that
do not
have a Mac OSX GUI translated (like Slovenian)? Will this
work anyway
(after GUI language of choice in OSX is set to Slovenian)?
And what directory must I put what in? Folder sl-SI or sl?
Sorry, but
I am asking this because I cannot access that apple
developers
webpage.

Thanks,
m.

On 20/09/2007, Clytie Siddall <clytieriverland.net.au> wrote:
>
> On 18/09/2007, at 9:17 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>
> > Hi *,
> >
> > On 9/17/07, eric b <eric.bachardfree.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Expected:  a confirmation for every major
locales , and other:
> >>
> >> 1) the OpenOffice.org menu entry works
> >> 2) the native FilePicker is fully localized
> >>
> >> =>  verified working for French and German,
on both Tiger and coming
> >> Leopard
> >>
> >>
> >> If ever the tip is confirmed working for all
major locales
> >> ( Dutch.lproj , English.lproj , French.lproj ,
German.lproj ,
> >> Italien.lproj , Japanese.lproj , Spanish.lproj
), I propose to create
> >> a cws, and create all those folder, to
localize the FilePicker and
> >> OpenOffice.org menu entry.
> >
> > Please use ISO language/locale identifiers instead
of the legacy
> > language
> > names. These are deprecated by Apple already,
see:
> > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conce
ptual/
> >
BPInternational/Articles/LanguageDesignations.html
> >
> Good point, Christian. 
>
> Also, I don't quite understand the implications of this
for
> localization. Do we need to do anything manually, or
will it be fixed
> for the release?
>
> from Clytie
>
> Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
> h
ttp://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi Martin, Clytie,

On 9/20/07, Martin Srebotnjak <milesfilmsi.net> wrote:
> Ok, before I try anything, what happens with languages
that do not
> have a Mac OSX GUI translated (like Slovenian)? Will
this work anyway
> (after GUI language of choice in OSX is set to
Slovenian)?

The trick mentioned in this thread only refers to the labels
of the bold
menu in the native Toolbar that holds default entries of
MacOSX for
applications (Preferences, about, services, hide, hide
others)
and the labels of the default elements of the native
filepicker (button labels,
names of folders, etc).

The strings for these elements then come from MacOSX
directly, so
this will only work when MacOSX offerss suppot for Slovenian
by itself.
I don't know whether MacOSX is available in Slovenian. If
Slovenian is
not supported, it will choose a fallback on its own, and
that's most likely
English in that case.

> And what directory must I put what in? Folder sl-SI or
sl? Sorry, but
> I am asking this because I cannot access that apple
developers
> webpage.

The link I posted doesn't require any apple-developer
membership or similar,
it is public for all users that browse to the site, no login
or
similar required.

But sl is enough. sl-SL (both other letters uppercase then)
would only be
required if there are different variants of Slovenian, like
there is for example
en-GB and en-US. Or maybe an example where it matter more:
chinese
simplified vs traditional.

Adding a lproj folder as suggested in this thread will not
automatically translate
other parts of the office, this would still need to be done
via the regular
OOo tranlsation mechanism (i.e. you translate the strings
from the sdf files)

When slovenian is not supported by MacOSX, then the folder
alone is not
enough, one would need to add a file that contains the
translations then.

But I don't know in what "realm" (don't know the
official term here, but you can
have different "sections" of translations that
will then correspond to different
filenames within that folder) and I don't know what the
identifiers of
the strings would
be (the format is a UTF-16 encoded textfile with each line
is an entry
in the form of
<id> = <translation>)

So you translators don't have to do anything if adding the
directory alone
works for you already.
If it doesn't = your language is not supported by Mac OSX
itself, probably more
effort is needed, at least,you would need to provide the
translations
for these strings
and most likely OOo must be change to explicitly tell the
system that
it runs in that
language.

ciao
Christian

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On 20 Sep 2007, at 17:40, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

> Hi Martin, Clytie,
>
> On 9/20/07, Martin Srebotnjak <milesfilmsi.net> wrote:
>> [...]
> The strings for these elements then come from MacOSX
directly, so
> this will only work when MacOSX offerss suppot for
Slovenian by  
> itself.
> I don't know whether MacOSX is available in Slovenian.
If Slovenian is
> not supported, it will choose a fallback on its own,
and that's  
> most likely
> English in that case.

The order of the languages used is based on the list in the 

International System Preferences. If the first language
isn't  
available for the application, then the next item on the
list is used.

> [....]
> So you translators don't have to do anything if adding
the  
> directory alone
> works for you already.
> If it doesn't = your language is not supported by Mac
OSX itself,  
> probably more
> effort is needed, at least,you would need to provide
the translations
> for these strings
> and most likely OOo must be change to explicitly tell
the system that
> it runs in that
> language.
>

See above re international system preferences.

Shaun

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Thanks, Shaun.

I can report expected success: after adding sl.proj folder,
the native
filepicker opens with 3 localized strings
("Version", "read-only" and
"All files"). Everything else stays in English, as
the OSX GUI isn't
localized into Slovenian.

I hope there will be a way to add those strings if wanted
directly to
OOo, so that it is localized for all languages, supported by
OOo, but
not by Apple.

Thanks,
m.

On 20/09/2007, Shaun McDonald <mcdonaldshaunyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 20 Sep 2007, at 17:40, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin, Clytie,
> >
> > On 9/20/07, Martin Srebotnjak <milesfilmsi.net> wrote:
> >> [...]
> > The strings for these elements then come from
MacOSX directly, so
> > this will only work when MacOSX offerss suppot for
Slovenian by
> > itself.
> > I don't know whether MacOSX is available in
Slovenian. If Slovenian is
> > not supported, it will choose a fallback on its
own, and that's
> > most likely
> > English in that case.
>
> The order of the languages used is based on the list in
the
> International System Preferences. If the first language
isn't
> available for the application, then the next item on
the list is used.
>
> > [....]
> > So you translators don't have to do anything if
adding the
> > directory alone
> > works for you already.
> > If it doesn't = your language is not supported by
Mac OSX itself,
> > probably more
> > effort is needed, at least,you would need to
provide the translations
> > for these strings
> > and most likely OOo must be change to explicitly
tell the system that
> > it runs in that
> > language.
> >
>
> See above re international system preferences.
>
> Shaun
>
>
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