more names

hi all

after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC, it was
noted,  
correctly, that this should not be regarded an option, since
openpbx  
is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project
AsteriskPBX  
or ApachePBX.

I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on with
the other  
candidates

best regards

roy
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From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roykarlsbakk.net>
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Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names


> hi all
>
> after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC,
it was noted,
> correctly, that this should not be regarded an option,
since openpbx
> is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project
AsteriskPBX
> or ApachePBX.

What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really
relevant?

> I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on
with the other
> candidates

Why drop a name people is voting?

> best regards
>
> roy
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Ariel Monaco wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roykarlsbakk.net>
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> Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names
>
>
>   
>> hi all
>>
>> after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on
IRC, it was noted,
>> correctly, that this should not be regarded an
option, since openpbx
>> is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the
project AsteriskPBX
>> or ApachePBX.
>>     
>
> What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really
relevant?
>   
Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like
trademarks, its 
damned rude to just try to associate what you do with
something 
successful, by choosing a related name.

Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are very
myopic.

So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is a
good match for 
what we want.
>   
>> I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go
on with the other
>> candidates
>>     
>
> Why drop a name people is voting?
>   
They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too many
of those 
voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are just
drive by 
pollers.

Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk away
if something 
as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that simple.

Steve

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Steve,

Did you need to be so rude? It was only a comment. I am
truly sorry.
You're right, remove GnuPBX from the poll, we'll vote your
name.

Let it be callweaver!

Regards,
Ariel
   
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Subject: Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names


> Ariel Monaco wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roykarlsbakk.net>
>> To: "OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List"
<openpbx-devopenpbx.org>; 
>> "OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List -
Non-Commercial Discussion" 
>> <openpbx-usersopenpbx.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM
>> Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names
>>
>>
>>   
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx'
on IRC, it was noted,
>>> correctly, that this should not be regarded an
option, since openpbx
>>> is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the
project AsteriskPBX
>>> or ApachePBX.
>>>     
>>
>> What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this
really relevant?
>>   
> Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like
trademarks, its 
> damned rude to just try to associate what you do with
something 
> successful, by choosing a related name.
> 
> Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are
very myopic.
> 
> So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is
a good match for 
> what we want.
>>   
>>> I suggest we drop that name and let the voting
go on with the other
>>> candidates
>>>     
>>
>> Why drop a name people is voting?
>>   
> They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too
many of those 
> voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are
just drive by 
> pollers.
> 
> Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk
away if something 
> as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that
simple.
> 
> Steve
> 
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Steve,

perhaps you could explain for me why they would wish to
change one
already confusing and contested moniker for another...

While I have not followed it closely, and I certainly have
no issue with
any of the work the ?formerly? openpbx (the one that is not
the
voicetronix openpbx) project does, I fail to see how it
would further
serve their purpose to be confused instead with GNU
Telephony, our PBX
work, etc.  I only very recently heard about this, but I was
hoping you
could explain this to me and how this could happen.

We are quite happy working in freedom on free telephony
software,
services, and component libraries in GNU Telephony, many of
which are
maintained as official GNU packages.  While we certainly do
not wish to
involve ourselves in other projects uninvited, when some
group chooses
or appears to confusingly represent themselves as us, I feel
I must
respond to that in some manner.  At the very least, it would
seem to me
to be simple common courtesy to have asked how we might feel
about it first.

David Sugar
GNU Telephony

Steve Underwood wrote:
> Ariel Monaco wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roykarlsbakk.net>
>> To: "OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List"
<openpbx-devopenpbx.org>; 
>> "OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List -
Non-Commercial Discussion" 
>> <openpbx-usersopenpbx.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM
>> Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names
>>
>>
>>   
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx'
on IRC, it was noted,
>>> correctly, that this should not be regarded an
option, since openpbx
>>> is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the
project AsteriskPBX
>>> or ApachePBX.
>>>     
>> What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this
really relevant?
>>   
> Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like
trademarks, its 
> damned rude to just try to associate what you do with
something 
> successful, by choosing a related name.
> 
> Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are
very myopic.
> 
> So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is
a good match for 
> what we want.
>>   
>>> I suggest we drop that name and let the voting
go on with the other
>>> candidates
>>>     
>> Why drop a name people is voting?
>>   
> They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too
many of those 
> voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are
just drive by 
> pollers.
> 
> Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk
away if something 
> as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that
simple.
> 
> Steve
> 
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CtRiX wrote:
> Terry Moore-Read wrote:
>
> After asking to quote a bit better...
>   
>> So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects
but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product
?
>>
>> It's probably best to keep away from derivations of
trademarked names all together.
>>   
>>     
> Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related
trademarks as well 
> as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related
trademarks as 
> well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird
and related 
> trademarks.
>
> We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion,
but because we 
> have nothing to do with them.
>
> The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not
renaming openpbx 
> to AdobePBX.
>
>   
How about VoxToaster?

Leo

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Terry Moore-Read wrote:

After asking to quote a bit better...
> So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but
keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ?
>
> It's probably best to keep away from derivations of
trademarked names all together.
>   
Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related
trademarks as well 
as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related
trademarks as 
well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird and
related 
trademarks.

We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion, but
because we 
have nothing to do with them.

The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not
renaming openpbx 
to AdobePBX.


Max

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So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep
weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ?

It's probably best to keep away from derivations of
trademarked names all together.
 
 
>>> "Ariel Monaco" <arielmonacoflylabs.com> 03/07/07 8:24 PM >>> 
Steve,

Did you need to be so rude? It was only a comment. I am
truly sorry.
You're right, remove GnuPBX from the poll, we'll vote your
name.

Let it be callweaver!

Regards,
Ariel
   
-----  Original Message -----  
From: "Steve Underwood" <steveucoppice.org>
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Subject: Re: [Openpbx- dev] more names


> Ariel Monaco wrote:
>> -----  Original Message -----  
>> From: "Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk" <roykarlsbakk.net>
>> To: "OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List"
<openpbx- devopenpbx.org>; 
>> "OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List -  Non-
Commercial Discussion" 
>> <openpbx- usersopenpbx.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM
>> Subject: [Openpbx- dev] more names
>>
>>
>>   
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx'
on IRC, it was noted,
>>> correctly, that this should not be regarded an
option, since openpbx
>>> is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the
project AsteriskPBX
>>> or ApachePBX.
>>>     
>>
>> What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this
really relevant?
>>   
> Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like
trademarks, its 
> damned rude to just try to associate what you do with
something 
> successful, by choosing a related name.
> 
> Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are
very myopic.
> 
> So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is
a good match for 
> what we want.
>>   
>>> I suggest we drop that name and let the voting
go on with the other
>>> candidates
>>>     
>>
>> Why drop a name people is voting?
>>   
> They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too
many of those 
> voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are
just drive by 
> pollers.
> 
> Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk
away if something 
> as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that
simple.
> 
> Steve
> 
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Leo Ann Boon wrote:
> CtRiX wrote:
>   
>> Terry Moore-Read wrote:
>>
>> After asking to quote a bit better...
>>   
>>     
>>> So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF
Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe
product ?
>>>
>>> It's probably best to keep away from
derivations of trademarked names all together.
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>> Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and
related trademarks as well 
>> as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and
related trademarks as 
>> well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or
firebird and related 
>> trademarks.
>>
>> We are not dropping GNU because it creates
confusion, but because we 
>> have nothing to do with them.
>>
>> The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are
not renaming openpbx 
>> to AdobePBX.
>>
>>   
>>     
> How about VoxToaster?
>   
The toaster part seems OK. There used to be various toaster
products 
from various companies, so I don't think anyone has a hold
on that. I'm 
not so happy with the vox part. Its too voice specific.

Steve

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