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Re: Camellia for OpenPGP
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United States
2007-05-01 00:27:22
Hironobu SUZUKI wrote:
> 
> David,
>  
>> I notice you're just mentioning Camellia with a
256-bit key, which
>> leaves out the 128 or 192-bit keys.  I don't
disagree, but I'm
>> curious if that was intentional.
> 
> Yes, intentional. I chose Camellia-256 by the point of
view of
> marketing.
> 
> I found that may people had selected TLS/AES-256
ciphersuite for their
> https when they could use it under their system.

AES-256 is listed in a NIST recommendation.  It's not
marketing,
it's following NIST guidance.

Not to say that's not debatable but it's not just
"marketing" or
key material size obsession.


Re: Camellia for OpenPGP
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Japan
2007-05-01 01:37:36

Rodney, 
 
> AES-256 is listed in a NIST recommendation.  It's not
marketing,
> it's following NIST guidance.

I'm taking about TLS/AES-256, not taking about AES-256. In
TLS WG,
they tried to adapt only AES-128 and ignored AES-256. First
of all,
they said "AES-256 is too much". I pushed AES-256
to TLS because it
was nice for backup cipher for AES-128 and it was only a
chance to
adapt 256-bit cipher to TLS.

They didn't select AES-256 as by NIST recommendation. They
didn't
select AES-192 also. They selected AES-256 as "backup
for 128bit
cipher".

That is ture story.

At that time, I didn't think that many people use AES-256
because
actually, AES-128 was enough.

Today, in fact, many people use AES-256.  I learn that
people tend to
use stronger cipher which is prepared for them because they
want to
feel safer. That is a sort of psycological attitude, not
technical
attitude.

> Not to say that's not debatable but it's not just
"marketing" or key
> material size obsession.

I'm sorry that I confused you by my English capability.  

I meant a term "marketing" that I said is as
"to know what people want
to get".  I have thought that we should provide a
service for people
by what people want to do, not by engineer's ego.  And I
have thought
that we should think something practical.  To implement
Camellia-256
is practical thing more than to implement a set of
Camellia-128/256. A
set of Camellia-128/256 may be acceptable but a few people
will use
Camellia-128 because there are other 128-bit ciphers and
it's too late
to list it up.  So, I list only Camellia-256 and I think it
is OK for
everyone.

Also, only Camellia-256 is nothing special because only
TWOFISH-256 is
listed in OpenPGP cipher.

Regards,

---
Hironobu SUZUKI <hironobu at h2np dot net><hironobu
at fsij dot org>
Hironobu SUZUKI Office, Inc. / FSIJ / WCLSCAN / OpenPKSD
Tokyo, Japan.
http://h2np.net


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