Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

One other comment. Generally, a project proposal, would be
posted to
the interested communities for comment, before being
submitted fait
acompli to the OGB. (I have cc'ed in those communities that
I think,
at a minimum, should be included

brian

On 5/31/07, Brian Gupta <brian.guptagmail.com> wrote:
> I was in the process of writing my own proposal for a
reference build
> (I got sidetracked because of all the distracting
Indiana discussion),
> I am including my incomplete draft proposal for
consideration and
> comment:
>
> Proposal OpenSolaris Reference Distribution v0.1
>
> 1.  Introduction and motivation
>
> 1.1 Summary
>
>  This project proposes to develop and release weekly
distributions that
>  would be used by OpenSolaris as their reference
platform to develop on.
>
>  This is similar to the role Solaris Express Community
Edition plays now,
>  But would be sustained and maintained by the
OpenSolaris community,
>  rather than Sun. The problem with SXCS is that it is
not OpenSolaris,
>  but rather a commercial operating system built by
Sun.
>
>  One of the serious issues with this approach, is that
developing
>  OpenSolaris code on a Solaris distribution does not
provide any
>  technical guarantees that the resulting code in
unencumbered.
>
>  The motivation behind this proposal is to change the
development
>  environment as it exists today, to put all
distributions on equal
>  footing. If the development platform is unencumbered
there is a fair
>  amount of certainty that the resulting code will be as
well.
>
> 1.2 History and context
>
>  Until recently Solaris and OpenSolaris were controlled
by the same
>  organization, Sun Microsystems. Recently OpenSolaris
became an
>  independent organization, with it's own governing
structures and
>  Constitution.
>
>  After this independence OpenSolaris did not start
producing their
>  own reference distribution, instead continuing to rely
on Sun's
>  Solaris Express Community Edition weekly releases.
>
> 2.  Discussion
>
> 2.1 Functionality
>
>  There are certain certain bits in Solaris that have
not been released
>  to the community. This new Reference Distribution
would be built
>  without those components. Applicable suitable open
source
>  replacements would be found. If there isn't a suitable
replacement,
>  it would be incumbent upon the OpenSolaris community
to develop
>  suitable replacements.
>
> 2.2 Components
>
> 2.3 Documentation
>
> 2.4 Future projects
>
> 3. Interfaces
>
> 3.1 Imported interfaces
>
> 3.2 Exported interfaces Bundled files
>
> 4. References
>
> In addition I have started a Wiki page where we can
capture some of
> the descions made by the project team.
> http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php?tit
le=OpenSolaris_Reference_Build
>
> cheers,
> brian
>
> On 5/31/07, James Carlson <james.d.carlsonsun.com> wrote:
> > Simon Phipps writes:
> > > On May 31, 2007, at 13:36, James Carlson
wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't think anyone is saying that you
can't create a distribution
> > > > yourself without bothering with any
project, community, or governing
> > > > board.  You can.  Knock yourself out.
> > >
> > > But that's not what's happening. If a
Sun-sponsored team went off
> > > outside the scope of the community and
created a distribution like
> > > the one being proposed as
"Indiana", all hell would break loose here.
> >
> > The part that you snipped away was where John
Plocher was asserting
> > that this case would somehow prevent future
distributions (such as the
> > ones we now have) from even starting.  I don't
believe that's the
> > case.
> >
> > > We are now at the stage where (as John
Plocher said) for some reason
> > > some high-profile individuals are
"throwing up logistical barriers to
> > > this effort instead of facilitating
them", something that has not
> > > seemed to happen to a project proposal on
OpenSolaris before.
> >
> > I just don't see it that way.  Is having a
community endorse this
> > project a "barrier?"  And one that
necessarily causes undue hardship?
> >
> > If so, then perhaps it's time to amend the
constitution we just
> > ratified.  Merely ignoring it doesn't seem like a
reasonable option to
> > me.
> >
> > > Thus, as a community member, I'd like to see
a team form and get
> > > started. I would really like to see the OGB
we elected facilitate
> > > rather than obstruct, please.
> >
> > So far, I haven't seen anyone trying to obstruct.
> >
> > --
> > James Carlson, Solaris Networking             
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On May 31, 2007, at 15:24, Brian Gupta wrote:

> One other comment. Generally, a project proposal, would
be posted to
> the interested communities for comment, before being
submitted fait
> acompli to the OGB. (I have cc'ed in those communities
that I think,
> at a minimum, should be included

Actually, I agree with James that the project is so
far-reaching that  
it's a community-wide issue - I think Glynn did the right
thing  
approaching the OGB and osol-discuss lists, although it's
good to see  
which lists you think are affected too. I'd like to see the
OGB give  
positive, supportive guidance (as well as to see your
proposal and  
Glynn's harmonised), probably by selecting or creating a
community to  
work on the proposal you and Glynn are pioneering.

But even if it was the wrong choice, I'm eager to have us
all channel  
this "stop energy" and suspicion of Sun into
something positive. For  
goodness sake, Sun's executives are agreeing with you and
investing  
in the idea you were discussing!

For folks on those lists Brian added that aren't on
OSOL-Discuss:   
Glynn's proposal can be found at:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensol
aris-discuss/2007-May/ 
030366.html

S.

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