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Re: rms@1407.org claiming "licenses aren't contracts" and that...
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2007-10-19 10:26:06

Alexander Terekhov wrote:
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> Why not discuss here on *license discuss* forum (not license approval
> or some such) http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Horn/99/RTCOMP.htm
> ruling by the United States Court of Federal Claims...

Because that is not the stated purpose of this list, as has been pointed out many times. Try looking at more than the name of the list...titles are generally non-normative.

If you're so sure about your vast understanding of the law and the GPL (your favorite target), why don't you do something more than whine about it? Take a piece of Torvalds' GPL'd linux kernel code (one that he personally wrote), use a few obvious snippets of it in an original program, and then email the link you've posted it at to Torvalds and the FSF. Legal note: I do not recommend doing this and will not be held responsible if you do.

Until then, stop using random half-assed license agreements as strawmen, because they have no relevance.


> 2. (pseudo) legal theory of "automatically and ipso facto"; termination
> on a slightest breach without ability to cure and without any formal
> withdrawal of previously-given permission by the injured party in
> light of these holdings: 

The Use Agreement in the linked case contains only the following:

"This document is to confirm that RT Graphics, Inc. has given permission to the United States Postal Service to use its American Indian border designs in any philatelic products related to the American Indian Dance stamp series. There are no fees associated with the granting of this permission. RT Graphics, Inc. requires a credit in said materials."

There was no automatic termination clause, so of course a violation that is considered minor would not terminate the agreement. The Plaintiff didn't even manually terminate the agreement, and the Defendent had already begun to correct the problem in future releases.

What does this have to do with real licenses like GPL that containt automatic termination clauses? It is possible to specify in an agreement that something normally considered minor is to be treated as serious...I know you of all people won't object to my using contract law for an example, so I would point to the classic "time is of the essence" phrase as one such case.

If your claim is that it is possible to write crappy license agreements, I think we can all concede the point.

Donovan Hawkins

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